If Jesus Isn’t Allowed In Public Schools? Islam And Muhammad Surely Aren’t…

Fox News once reported that a Marine Corps father has been banished from his daughter’s school after he complained about her homework assignment on Islam. Kevin Wood said his daughter was ordered to write a three page essay about Islam’s five pillars, at La Plata High School in Maryland. He argued that students can’t study Christianity in school “but we can force-feed our kids Islam.”

When are we going to weed out the hypocrites in our government. This is One Nation Under God, not a Nation Under Islam. People have been attempting to remove God from our schools for decades. Today we have school boards that say it’s ok to teach Islam, and talk about Muhammad. A man who married a child at the age of six, and had sex with her when she was nine. That’s a good role model for our kids don’t you think. Our children are not allowed to pray to God in school, but they can write reports on Islam.

These hypocrites in our school system need to know they can’t have it both ways. If our children are not allowed to talk about Jesus then teachers should not be allowed to talk about Muhammad. If the teaching of God is not allowed in our schools, then there is no way you should ever allow the teaching of Satan. The separation of Church and State applies to everyone in this nation. God bless each and everyone of you, Shep #Marine4Truth…

472 Comments on "If Jesus Isn’t Allowed In Public Schools? Islam And Muhammad Surely Aren’t…"

  1. Hey, you libs out there voted these people into power and now we are reaping what you all sowed. Thanks a lot!

  2. Willie C Mooneyham Jr. | 06/20/2015 at 7:23 PM |

    Anita Toth , I think she got her point across pretty well. After all we’re not on the grammar 101 forum.

  3. Zauriel Eilertsen | 05/31/2015 at 11:58 AM |

    All you fuckmooks arguing that this is a christian nation, it’s fucking not. Yes the founding fathers were religious, that don’t make this a christian nation. They put it in there that the church and state should be seperate for the sole purpose of disallowing the oppression others who do not subscribe to the most popular religion. Did jesus say to fight motherfuckers who didn’t believe the same? Did jesus ever say that you should vehemently display your xenophobia as soon as another faith wanted to be included in functions that your faith is included in despite legal prohibition of?

    Keep christianity out of schools.
    Keep islam out of schools
    Keep all motherfucking religions out of schools!

    Know what we need to teach our children?

    World skills like how to buy a home, how to balance a bank account, how to cook, etc
    And most of all, critical thinking skills.
    For you religious people, that means “How to make good decisions.”

    And to put it into perspective, while christian nations were going through the middle ages, also called the dark ages, where no technological, sociological, educational, scientific, or economical advancement was made, Muslim countries were flying by in the science, math, art, sociological and other areas.

    Like your phone? Put it down: glass
    Like your car? Put it down: Applied metalurgy
    Like your computers? Put it down: Applied mathematics

  4. Collideoverme | 05/29/2015 at 6:23 PM |

    Rick Rosser you obviously never looked up the facts you jackass.

  5. Collideoverme | 05/29/2015 at 6:20 PM |

    Always believed if you are found to be a member of a gang, it should be A life sentence. Don’t care if anyone agrees. But they are no different than international terrorists. They just help make money for the higher ups in their so called ‘war on drugs’.

  6. CowsomeLoneboy | 04/06/2015 at 1:49 PM |

    Actually, the founders did not intend it to be a “Christian” nation, in a religious sense. That notion came to prominence in the 1930s and 40s, largely spurred by large corporations that were looking for help from conservative pastors who could preach about the evils of FDR’s policies. If the populace was tricked into believing that “God” was against FDR, and not just industrialists, the industrialists hoped that the people could then be persuaded to vote against their own best interests.

    The word “God” was not in the Pledge of Allegiance or on paper currency until the Eisenhower administration, in the 1950s. That arose out of this corporate push to make the US a “Christian nation.”

    Interesting, isn’t it, how Mammon got “God” to serve him?

    Yes, this country is by far majority Christian as far as the percentage of the population that professes a religion goes. That does not make the government Christian and it never will.

  7. you are right.

  8. and you know what , we are Americans now so get over it. and we want it to stay the America that was founded in morals, not some progressive Communist country.

  9. It is a Christian nation. Everyone still has the right to believe as they want to but the laws were based on the morals of the Christian faith- like it or not. Progressives have been trying to bring America down so they say it is secular.

  10. joehultquist | 04/05/2015 at 9:19 AM |

    How about all the horrific things blacks did to whites yesterday in St Louis, Detroit, Memphis, Kansas City, Los Angeles? And the day before that? And the days before that: And the weeks, months and years before that? While they were being indulged in their sloth by the application of huge quantities of taxpayer resource. And they say that they will never accept the “bill” that they’ve submitted to white America as being paid. I never owed them anything. They owe me and I will collect.

  11. joehultquist | 04/05/2015 at 9:10 AM |

    Sounds like you are liberal reefing to accept facts that do not conform to the narrative that you’re addicted to.

  12. aznative | 04/04/2015 at 3:46 PM |

    I AM SICK…..and so is the rest of humanity. ……..any one with love and respect for others faith and love for life is tired of hearing about them. Every nation is in great turmoil and danger of losing their heritages because of this radical cult. This tribe wants to destroy the world. How can such a hateful cult exist in this world in this day and age of mankind? Bigger question why are we tolerating it and giving them a foothold in any nation?

    If Muslims truly are the tribe of peace they would self deport back to Saudi Arabia and leave the rest of the world alone because we are tired of hearing about them.

    Every nation is in great turmoil and danger of losing their heritages because of this radical cult.

    Our nation has gone from talking about beautiful roses, job promotions, new businesses, beautiful sermons, school carnivals, class field trips, excitement about the birth of a grandchild, volunteer programs to a nation that wastes it time every moment of the day talking about sharia, islam, muslims, terrorists, beheadings, rape, stoning, murder, child brides, pedophiles, the koran, phony racism, riots, hatred of our veterans, hatred of our flag, hatred of our constitution, hatred and breaking of our laws by this illegal unconstitutional foreign federal govt now operating in our nation illegally, including illegal UN authority.

    Do we really want our nation to be a nation of extreme turmoil daily, worn torn streets and living like the savages do in the Middle East.

    It is time to restore the greatest nation to ever exist the United States of America. We were a peaceful, kind, loving, giving, productive nation until we gave the devil a foothold in our nation.

    Americans – choose life!
    Americans – choose liberty!
    Americans – choose freedom!
    Americans – choose the restoration of our constitution and sovereignty!
    Americans -choose to honor our heritage, history, founding fathers and founding principles!
    Americans – choose PEACE!
    Americans – choose to honor OUR GOD!
    Americans – CHOOSE exceptionalism!
    Americans – choose pride of country and our veterans!

    As an American I’m honestly sick and tired of hearing about Muslims, Islam, the Koran, sharia, burkas, beheadings, banning bacon, banning guns, banning pastors, banning food from our children (they have the right to eat whatever they want) in my homeland. Our country has been in turmoil since 9/11. Why? Because Muslims have no place in our country period. I’m tired of hearing about them. Their heritage has no place in my homeland. It is time to restore our heritage, jobs, industry and patriotism. It is time to show honor to OUR GOD, OUR MILITARY, OUR HERITAGE and it doesn’t include Islam and Muslims. No this is not a Muslim nation period. This is our homeland. We have not had one moment of peace and quiet since this radical tribe arrived neither has any other nation. My dad did not fight for the Islamic way of life period.

    Every nation they enter is in turmoil, fighting, having their heritage and ancient landmarks removed, their way of lives challenged. The problem is that they have no right to say or demand anything in any country. It is time to Send them all back to Saudi Arabia. We can love them there, but no country will ever have any peace with this cult in their nation. They only Come to dominate and destroy and take what we and our founders built.

    The United States is the greatest civilized nation to EVER exist. Muslims and Islam will take this nation back to the prehistoric ages.

    It is time to pack their bags now.

    Look at their heritage, they have lived like scavengers their whole existence. Do we really want our country to look like the Middle East, uncivilized and war torn and barbaric. Hello.

    Really Americans we are going to allow this and settle with what this illegal foreign radical unconstitutional terrorist syndicate is doing in OUR nation. We owe our founders and soldiers more than this. Their deaths, fighting to preserve our heritage must not be in vain.

    It is time to honor this nation, our heritage and kick the traitors and enemies out.

    I honestly don’t care if I ever hear words tied to Muslims ever again. After 9/11 and their barbaric ways we shouldn’t waste our energy or time on this radical cult. They deserve nothing from
    This great nation. Absolutely nothing.

    Send them all home, all of them. We can love them in Saudi Arabia. It is time for peace again in the world.

  13. themires | 04/04/2015 at 3:45 PM |

    The Muslim’s are taking over, slowly at first but steadily; just look at Dearborn Michigan. We cannot continue to be complacent about this insurgence or we will have a war right here on our land.

  14. John Jakob | 04/04/2015 at 12:10 PM |

    Thank you for telling it like it is . I am in Canada , but people whine about the past in Canada as they do in the USA . Every country on earth has fought invaders , including as you say the peoples within every country . I agree about the natives . We have the same problems here . They are offered every opportunity , and most just choose welfare . If all you do is keep a scorecard of history , there will never be any peace or harmony in the world . ie : Middle East . The Muslim immigrant problem is similar to the Native problem . We are going to have a whole new population of generational welfare . A lot of the ignorant comments I see above are simply meant to annoy and taunt . Thanks for the grounded comments .

  15. Gary Holveck | 04/04/2015 at 7:51 AM |

    It’s interesting that recorded history shows a “take over” by force of North American soil from the native Americans by European settlers, yet some argue a “theory” based on Beringia (land bridge across what’s now the Bering sea) and fossil evidence of early migration as some sort of proof that the land ‘belonged’ to Europeans originally. “Originally”? Theory? Sometimes our opinions skew logic and our mouths conclude the inconclusive. But, y’all carry on … interesting show!

  16. John Kariotis Jr. | 03/29/2015 at 10:39 AM |

    I hate to tell you about another portion of class where the discussion revolved around the faiths of our founding fathers. Most were deists, meaning no particular faith. The founding fathers were not christian, catholic protestant or any other christian sect. the founding fathers worked very hard to create a secular government. Your Pohick Church is not the same church that Washington and Mason attended. the clergy is not the same, not the same faith. Washington in his own words was a member, but attended infrequently.

  17. Sandra Dudley | 03/28/2015 at 11:08 AM |

    Jesus taught his followers to pray for unbelievers, Mohammad taught his to behead them There is a big difference! Muslims have been gaining in numbers and territory by torturing and killing unbelievers since the 7th century until the Ottoman empire was broken up after WWI in 1924. They enslaved and raped captive women and children during their rein of terror. They tried to invade Europe many times but were pushed back by Christians and the Crusades. Unless we know history we are fooled into believing terrorism is something new to Islam because of the “terrible things the United States is doing” or because ” Israel was made into a nation after WWII”. The truth is terrorist are following the teachings of the Quran just like they always have. Moderate Muslims are just the ones that don’t take the violent verses in the Quran, Hadith and Sharia law literally, the radical Muslims do. Islam seeks the establishment of Sharia law that calls for the submission and or death of unbelievers. Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion. Sharia law is, of its own nature, unconstitutional and can not be permitted in order to protect the very freedom of religion it seeks to destroy. The other problem with Islam is it isn’t just a religion, it is also a form of government that seeks to replace other forms of governments.

  18. Jesse Tomblin | 03/27/2015 at 7:23 PM |

    Contrary to what many IGNORANTLY believe this Nation was and still is a Christian Nation. See the First Amendment does not say anything about their being any separation of Church and State that LIE came from the old USSR constitution and there it is an even bigger LIE. See under Communism the State is the Church therefore cannot be separate. Now the US Constitution says the following ” The Congress shall make no law establishing or abridging the free practice of religion.” So you see there is no separation mentioned I OUR Constitution. Then there is the FACT that if this were not a Christian Nation then no other religion would be allowed just look at ISIS to see how other religions treat religious freedom. Sadly even Israel does not allow freedom in religious practice in their Nation. Only in the Nation of America is there any real true freedom when it comes to practice of religion. See we allow Catholics(Idol worshippers), Jews( Non-Jesus followers), Santrinni( a mix of Catholic and Vodoo), Vodoo and many other Religious Practices. If it were not for OUR faith in Christ we would not do so. Next we would fear other religions and ban them with deadly force as do followers of Islam. So now I have provided you with the truth and since we still do not kill people for not being Christians we are still a Christian Nation even though that IDIOT infesting the White House says otherwise. Now you have the TRUTH on America but you need one other TRUTH and then you can decide on your own what to believe and support. The Last TRUTH is this Obammy is a MASSIVE PILE of WORTHLESS GOOD for NOTHING FECAL MATTER so STUPID it thinks it is better than GOD but could not be more WRONG. Obammy is trying to get his pals in the Muslim Brotherhood accepted so he allows their LIES and POISON to be spewed here in America. So search out the TRUTH and you will NEVER buy what Obamny and his LIBERAL IDIOT PALS like Reid and Pelosi et al are selling. That makes Reid’s retirement a done deal even if he were to run again. So seek ye the TRUTH and it will set you FREE.

  19. pblanton | 03/23/2015 at 10:23 AM |

    Yeah… You’re right, but you’re fighting a losing battle. Isiah 5:20 says,

    “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness
    for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and
    sweet for bitter!”

    But that is the time we live in. Your only hope is to pull your kid out of the public school system and home-school them. I know it’s hard, but God entrusted you with this child and if you shirk that responsibility and entrust them to the public school system, then you only have God to answer to.

  20. Rasheeda Lomonico | 03/14/2015 at 5:47 PM |

    This is God’s country and we Christians r His children!! Everything is God’s !! They can try and take over if they want but their arms r too short to box with God!! They stole almost three hundred girls from and bragged about making them all muslims( which I don’t believe) but three weeks ago ,Jesus saved six million muslims and now they r Christians!!! Praise Jesus!! This is a battle for souls between God and satan ,that’s all it is. I homeschooled my daughter when they tried teaching her Islam!! It’s not just a test for school,it’s Satan trying to deceive our children,” a little yeast makes the whole batch of doe rise” Islam is a spiritual poison to our children souls

  21. I agree with delaine you can have a intelligent conversation without having to insult people just because you don’t agree with them.I don’t think you would like it if I told you to shut your f…….. mouth you loser now would you.

  22. CowsomeLoneboy | 03/12/2015 at 11:06 PM |

    OK. I’m all ears. Recite for me all this US history you know that I don’t that proves my ignorance, that I’ve bought into propaganda and thus should be hanging my head in shame. Please bring citations because just making up stuff doesn’t count.

  23. ibelieveinfreedom2 | 03/12/2015 at 9:51 PM |

    Apparently you don’t know US History, you only know the propaganda of the left. Congratulations on your ignorance, I’m sure you’re proud of it.

  24. plb5678 | 03/12/2015 at 9:19 PM |

    Of course the libs kowtow to islam while trying to control Christians.. islam is all about control of the masses and obeying the government since islam is just that, a political ideology and no religion. Christians put God before everyone and everything. Christ taught us to love Him above all others. Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. True peace, joy, and happiness is found in Christ. Not any government. islam tries to control everything. Very strange though that the libs et al bow to islam, never mind the way they treat homosexuals and women.

  25. CowsomeLoneboy | 03/12/2015 at 6:15 PM |

    I have had this discussion too many times to spend a whole lot on you. You have half of it right–that it was predominantly Christians who founded the country, and you think that somehow magically makes the other half of what you contend–that this country has a Christian government–right also.

    Fortunately, when decisions are made by those in government who actually must follow the Constitution and the laws derived under it, they know that this nation does not have a Christian version of Sharia but instead is guided solely by the decidedly non-Christian, secular laws of governance.

    So go ahead and believe whatever you wish. The “truth” you know is all in your head.

  26. highgravity | 03/12/2015 at 5:43 PM |

    or maybe it was our promised land..

  27. highgravity | 03/12/2015 at 5:42 PM |

    wrong..it was founded by Christian men..I didn’t sleep through any class..I tell the truth!! It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here. Patrick Henry And if you watched my man Phil Robertson at CPAC you saw him read numerous other quotes from Christian founding fathers in his speech..This country was founded on Christian principles and nearly 80% still believe that way which is why we are allies with Israel..or at least have been before Obama..You can keep telling these lies all you want but we know the truth!

  28. JohnL1313 | 03/12/2015 at 4:30 PM |

    How am I narrow minded? Oh, that’s right, because I disagree with the leftist-marxist ideal that America sucks, our founding sucks, and we are an illegitimate country. Funny how the leftists who spout this garbage are more than content to stay here, reaping the benefits of the United States.

    I didn’t say anything about a one-way bridge, you did. I based my comment on the paleontological findings that showed the Asians coming here 14,000 years ago; no evidence was presented showing the Indians went the other way. Perhaps they didn’t even know the land bridge existed.

  29. it’s the ole’ goose, gander thing..you wait, they will make exception for you know who. and we shouldn’t stand for it.

  30. Octavio Dela Mora | 03/12/2015 at 12:10 PM |

    Oh Hell no, you go there and re impose the God that was impose on the natives. That’ll teach them.

  31. Knights Hawk | 03/12/2015 at 11:58 AM |

    Since they’re being led by the “teachings” of a misogynistic, pedophilic warmonger, Islam is not a religion, it’s a cult. They are murderous usurpers that brought a region with the highest knowledge at the time to a complete standstill. Nothing has come to Islam but at the point of a sword.

  32. John, I have to ask; was that bridge a one way bridge, where they could only come here. Could it not have been a two way bridge and the Asians are descended from the American Indian. Is that not possible or are you so narrow minded you can not think that way. WOW, a one way bridge.

  33. JohnL1313 | 03/01/2015 at 1:17 AM |

    DNA evidence shows ancestors from Asia coming over the land bridge from
    Siberia or even European settlers who came by boat. This dates back over 10,000 years according archeologists using radiometric data.
    Irregardless, as I said earlier, the history of man throughout every country reflects one civilization giving way to the next. The Indians slaughtered one another in conquests to spread their territory.

    I get it, you want me to feel guilty somehow. I don’t and I have no reason to be. Nor should the ancestors of Indians who gutted and decapitated colonists feel any guilt; further I have no animosity toward Indians despite their barbaric acts two hundred years ago.

    The principles in our founding documents, such as the Northwest Ordinance, were to treat the Indians respectfully and honor contracts. What Andrew Jackson did was wrong, but he wasn’t acting in the spirit of our founders or the principles laid out in the Constitution or the
    Declaration of Independence, he was making it up as he went along.

  34. Susan Puryear Spencer | 02/28/2015 at 2:27 PM |

    Who were these others before them????

  35. Susan Puryear Spencer | 02/28/2015 at 2:26 PM |

    John, please elaborate. Who DID the Native Americans take the land from????

  36. JohnL1313 | 02/23/2015 at 10:14 PM |

    Are you saying he hated the church “establishment” or claiming he hated Christianity/God?

  37. JohnL1313 | 02/23/2015 at 10:13 PM |

    Nope. Some indians were helpful to the early colonists. Others….tried pushing the colonists back into the ocean.

  38. James Allan White | 02/23/2015 at 8:36 PM |

    Hi Gina, Very well said, George Washington. Political Science does reveals that many of our founders were Agnostic, or, Deists. The U. S. Constitution was not solely created for Religious Freedom. However, I am thankful that it is one of the clauses of our freedoms. Therefore, why can’t everyone of each religion in the USA have the freedom to pray to their God in school?

  39. James Allan White | 02/23/2015 at 8:26 PM |

    John? Do you believe every Indian tribe was like that?

  40. Aaliyah Backstrom | 02/17/2015 at 8:00 AM |

    Be quiet, you don’t know anything. And you are probably not Ojibwe, like me, so shut your face hole.

  41. CowsomeLoneboy | 02/11/2015 at 10:57 AM |

    Thanks for the reply, but it really doesn’t help. Here’s what Thomas Jefferson said about a failed attempt by some Christians to make the Virginia freedom of religion protection apply solely to Christians: [the law was meant] “to comprehend, within the mantle of its
    protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahomedan, the
    Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”By rejecting this move, the overwhelming majority of delegates involved in the creation and adoption of the Virginia charter thus demonstrated early that they understood religious freedom to encompass more than just Christianity. This was in 1779. There weren’t great numbers of any of these religions within the US at this point and yet these citizens were willing to afford protection to all of them.

    I think you need to read some more history and perhaps adjust your beliefs accordingly.

  42. James Allan White | 02/11/2015 at 9:58 AM |

    Its the only religion that was practiced until ethnic groups with other religions migrated to the United States. I will go as far as saying that Americans were protective of their faith of Christianity and, also, probably couldn’t conceive that the Freedom of Religion clause would someday attract other ethnic groups with religions other than Christian would materialize. So, what I mean by recognized is that they did not fore see that any other religion outside of Christianity would arise in the U. S. of America. However, as religious prejudices exist, you can see that even Christians have persecuted other Christians because of difference of doctrine. Therefore, I presume Americans only recognized Christianity through that early period of the USA. Does that help?

  43. CowsomeLoneboy | 02/11/2015 at 9:06 AM |

    That’s an interesting bit of history there, James. What exactly do you mean by “recognized?”

  44. James Allan White | 02/11/2015 at 7:03 AM |

    Along with research you have to be unbiased and willing to think multi- culturally and dimensionally to get outside the paradigm that written history will trap you within the consensus method of re-telling history.

  45. James Allan White | 02/11/2015 at 6:53 AM |

    Slavery in Africa is still not something we should credit to slavery in the Western hemisphere. it was White men who decided to use African slaves in the western hemisphere because they could not keep the native Americans working in Latin America. The North American continent used indentured servants before African slaves for colonist labor force. Therefore, White men were enslaving white men in America. It’s not about who started slavery its about who Ended it. Amen? Slavery is one of those things that was repeated in history back to the Sumerians. History is not the Absolute truth and its written with biases.

  46. James Allan White | 02/11/2015 at 6:38 AM |

    No LAND rightfully belongs to anyone unless you are in a social contract where property rights are protected. Native Americans did not own land. they believe the earth is not something to OWN. Their mainstream LAND philosophy was a conservative approach. You take what you need from the Earth, not , everything you selfishly desire. Europeans knew they were going to remove anyone that got in their way when they decided to colonize the Western Hemisphere. Manifest Destiny.

  47. James Allan White | 02/11/2015 at 6:28 AM |

    Its a multi religious diversity because of “Religious freedom” clause in the U. S. constitution. 🙂 However, Christianity was the only religion recognized until the immigrants from non Christian countries start arriving here.

  48. James Allan White | 02/11/2015 at 6:25 AM |

    Poor Hick Church. 🙂 hehe

  49. Sclyburn | 02/06/2015 at 9:25 PM |

    This is a nation
    A community
    A plurality

  50. If Anybody Agrees With This BULL$HIT….I’m Thinking Go To Bumb Fuq Desert and Teach Dafuq Outta
    Pedophile, Child Multilating, Goat Poking Mooslime allah !
    Semper Fi’.

  51. jimnbubba | 02/06/2015 at 12:03 PM |

    Wrong rick , the so-called native Americans are of oriental decent

  52. jimnbubba | 02/06/2015 at 11:59 AM |

    A few White Yankees enslaved those people

  53. jimnbubba | 02/06/2015 at 11:58 AM |

    Land since the beginning of time belongs to whomever can control it

  54. Diane Fox | 01/23/2015 at 5:15 PM |

    No..but there were Irish slaves. There were also euro endentured (sp), servants that oddly NEVER got their debts paid. Slavery was a reality now its changed form into human trafficking and you don’t hear men of any color screamin about that do ya? jeez people ..no society on earth with the exception of the USA and the Roman Empire have ever allowed any conquered peoples to remain under their own rule. Today all native americans have their own lands, judicial systems etc and STILL get to use US education systems and amenities. In the immortal words of Merle Haggard, legend and true Country singer extrordiaire, If you don’t love it …LEAVE IT!! 🙂

  55. Scicolone Francis | 01/20/2015 at 4:43 PM |

    Good grief people. People have been migrating all over earth for thousands of years. Even in Europe the people there was migration and conquering. Ask the Basque they are native European but not Caucasian. The Aztec were not native to Mexico, they conquered the native people by killing many of them. Even some islands of Japan were occupied by people related to Eskimos before the Japanese arrived and conquered them. The Bible talks about conquering and being conquered. Get a grip this ain’t new!!!

  56. toma kay | 01/20/2015 at 11:05 AM |

    God, “Oh Mohammed…we need more cookies and milk”…Jesus chuckles.

  57. Why does the title say “Muslims are allowed to pray” but the actual article only say a report was assigned? It also doesn’t say what high school it was or whether it’s a public or a private school. If the marine father is so phased, why doesn’t he place his daughter in another school? “Shep” is playing you all, and you’re falling for it.

  58. Jon Clifton | 01/17/2015 at 10:48 AM |

    No, this WAS a Christian nation. It is now more islam and muslim than Christian. Christianity pretty soon will be a thing of the past while our communist government continues to shove this muslim shit down our throats. The above article is proof of Christianity being removed and terrorists taking over. We need to rid the government of all the communists that are in there. Then, we need to elect an American for President. Then we need to start executing all the terrorists in this country. If this isn’t done now, it will be the Christians who will be executed because you don’t worship muhammad or read the koran. The time is coming if you say the the word God instead of muhammad, you will be executed. Keep sitting back and laughing at me people. It’s coming and it’s coming fast.

  59. yes someone finally said it

  60. Jodi Day | 01/13/2015 at 9:38 AM |

    Yes, I know. Sadly, the history being taught isn’t our actual true history. The fact that the Irish people worked hard & pulled themselves out of the poverty & situations they were forced into should be taught! Actually, our REAL history should be taught. Period. In my opinion, anyway.

  61. Peggy Dabraccio | 01/13/2015 at 8:39 AM |

    The first slaves in the new world were Irish.

  62. crash1972 | 01/12/2015 at 12:12 AM |

    Should it even be brought up that black tribal leaders were the ones selling us our ‘slaves’ for whiskey and bright colored clothes and that there were black ‘handlers’ that went to guarantee delivery. People should read real history books not the government versions. Try ‘The capture of a slaver’ by John Taylor Wood

  63. Kathleen | 01/09/2015 at 6:29 AM |

    It’s separation of Church and state. Clearly not separation of Mosque or Temple etc. Only Christians are singled out and constantly offended. What a great country. I want to thank the 51% who voted a moron in twice. 49% of us are in the clear. This is the Muslim agenda. It started with million dollar donations to colleges throughout the country from Muslims. That’s when middle east studies entered as a course. Then they said, let’s get the kids at a younger age. They’re teaching kids in middle school now. And they’re lying to them about what JIHAD is! Jihad is Jihad and they’re white washing it. When my daughter was in Social Studies they did the 5 pillars of Islam and studied Islam for 4 weeks. I went to the teacher and asked when they were going to study the other 4 major religions? She said they would touch on them in the next couple weeks. “Touch on them” I asked? I told her that was unacceptable. They didn’t care what I thought or how it made myself and my child feel. It was BS. When I was in junior high in the ’70’s we studied all 5 major religions. A different one each week. The 6th week we were tested on all 5. No not today. Don’t want to ruffle feathers. IT’S B******t! And America? You really should be afraid, very afraid.


  65. Every country was built on the backs of slaves and blacks were not the only slaves. Doesn’t the bible state that the Jews were slaves? Are all Jews black? I know some white Jews. Africa today has a slave trade. Muslim extremists deal in slave from many different races. Sex slaves and more. Prophets are some crazy people and an insane society believes them. Don’t care what you call your god, whoever, put us all on the same planet together not to kill each other. Religion is a man made thing to control the masses with fear and claim they are doing gods will. What is gods will if we were all put on the same rock floating in space. God is not a religion. Religion is a politic because religion also tries to govern. Man wrote all of the religious books in every culture. An ideal that cannot be proven or dis-proven, go figure. Also, interpreted to make religious leaders gods spokesmen. Same as a political strategist. Every army thinks that god is on their side. That’s funny, so do football teams. Schools are no place for religious teachings of any kind. The Nazis’ did that and see where it got them. You would think that if any religion truly believed in god that they would all be on the same page. Notice how all religions talk to you about the promise of a better life after this one. Some thing that they can not prove but simply believe The god that put us here made us in many different colors. Why?
    Also, put this planet many millions of miles from others that may have life. So, by the time we can travel there we might be civilized enough to meet them without killing them.

  66. Jace Mindue | 12/26/2014 at 2:38 PM |

    The reason why islam is being taught in school’s is to corrupt the minds of the young to accept islam without question so when older and in office they can allow pedo islam to marry a newborn child with out being held accountable islam is a religion of hate and child marriage and this is the truth

  67. Jodi Day | 12/21/2014 at 11:09 PM |

    You should be apologizing for your foul mouth, not the truth that I posted. However, I doubt your capable of such so, by all means continue insulting people that have a different insight than yourself. You & Chad should get along great since you are both incapable of mature conversation. So, by all means carry on with your boasting ignorance.

  68. Jodi Day | 12/21/2014 at 11:05 PM |

    Actually, I’m extremely proud of my heritage. Your “facts” are sadly lacking & I’m neither ignorant nor a white supremacist. I am Irish & Cherokee & proud of both sides of my ancestry. However, like the other two “men” you are obviously incapable of debate or mature conversation, thus the name calling & insults rather than intelligent conversation. You keep trying to spread your lies & hate though. See how far that stupidity gets you in life. By the way, not a single one of my ancestors owned slaves so, I have no guilt regarding such things. Whether you like it or not, the fact is that the first slave owner was black. Pretending it’s false is just shameful ignorance. It’s history, not a judgement on modern people. It will be a great day when people figure that out.

  69. Jodi Day | 12/21/2014 at 10:57 PM |

    Thank you, Harry. It’s refreshing to see someone that doesn’t feel the need to stoop to name calling & insults because they are offered a different educational view. I am of Irish & Cherokee descent and have studied both cultures. You are exactly right. As for the killing of others due to a lack of understanding, sadly that has been going on since the days of the Neanderthals & the Northmen. It’s a shame that different views & educations can’t be discussed & shared in a civil manner but, as you can see by the confrontational, insulting ignorance posted by the “men” above, it’s still a flaw today. I notice they didn’t feel the need to attack you & call you juvenile names nor insult your intelligence so, perhaps it’s because a woman dared question what they deem as fact. Who knows with people like that. The fact that you get it & offer such well stated insight gives me hope. Perhaps one day, people will learn to speak respectfully & share thoughts, histories & ideas without resulting to hate. There is a lot to be learned through the study of various people, places & culture and thankfully, not everyone feels the need to be close-minded & force every belief into a neat tidy box. History has never been nor will ever be one-sided & if you can’t listen to more than one perspective then you’ll never even come close to grasping the entire picture.

  70. CowsomeLoneboy | 12/21/2014 at 9:59 AM |

    Who’s forcing Islam? Who are the “they” in your first question? Who are
    the naive? And who says that these “naive” “accept” whatever it is you
    claim they “accept?” Just because 80% of the populace of the US call
    themselves Christian does not mean that 80% are actually practicing
    adherents of the religion; in fact research shows that only 2/3 of those
    calling themselves Christian attend church regularly and about 1 in 4
    don’t consider religion an important part of their life. (Google Gallup for confirmation of my figures. I originally posted a link to Gallup but this site doesn’t like factual confirmation, apparently, because it’s kept my comment pending for days now.) I’ve said all along that the majority identify as Christian and
    therefore culturally that makes the US a Christian nation. What the US
    is not is politically or governmentally a nation of any religion.

  71. Delaine Wagner | 12/20/2014 at 9:12 AM |

    Chad, you obviously care about this subject and have a lot to say. I found most of what you write very interesting and I don’t want to argue or fight but I feel compelled to say that with your few choice words you devalue yourself. If you could have said all of that without the words twat, inbred bitch, cunt and so forth I may have been able to consider you intelligent. It completely ruined any respect I may have had for you or your options.

  72. Rob Bannister | 12/19/2014 at 5:21 PM |

    Great perspectives, Harry. Indians didn’t really have a sense of “ownership” the way Europeans do. I think it’s important that all Americans understand and respect the sacrifices that made today’s world possible, and the native population took a pounding. Does that mean there should be a big collective sense of “white guilt?” Not really, but at least the knowledge and appreciation of what did happen and acceptance that what some Indians have been handed and how their reservations are administered by the government is shameful. We also benefit from learning of the many native cultures that spread out across North America. They had understandings about the planet and nature that would be very instructive to modern man.

  73. My family is native. They never claimed that the Indians OWNED this land. They inhabited it. Just because they were here first doesn’t mean they owned it. You may want to search your history. The white man was attacked in the east from the Indians of the south west. They were living there for quite a while before the two met. Neither side should have been killing each other. But neither could understand each other.

  74. It’s not happening here now. But I guarantee Christians aren’t going to take it much longer.

  75. People don’t WANT to believe that. But someone please tell me by following Jesus how many Christians are killing people? By following Allah, how many people are killing people? I rest my case

  76. Then why are they forcing Islam? And why do the naive accept it? 80% of Americans claim to be Christian, so whether we establish a religion or not, I would say we are a Christian nation

  77. Our country is wimping out. Unbelievable

  78. Chad Abbott | 12/19/2014 at 1:00 PM |

    Thank goodness someone with intelligence showed up. I got scared. There were 11 likes on what she said. That scares me more.

    It’s hard not to go to name calling with these ppl. I just cant fathom how someone can be so dumb as to believe that.

  79. rick rosser | 12/19/2014 at 12:54 PM |

    chad abbot is right that native americans are of spanish american decent. They populated this country before and europeans made it here. The dumb bitch is almost right, they say some people came over the land bridge but that was after it was partially settled by idians. See any and everyone has a line of heritage to the middle east/africa area as that is were human/intelligent life was more then likely started. I bet she says well europeans are the people who the spanish indians came from and she would be wwrong again because africa and south america used to touch each other, and well if you cant figure out where im going with this then thats your fault. I agree with you chad she is a true idiot. And i apologize to anyone that had to read her post.

  80. rick rosser | 12/19/2014 at 12:43 PM |

    The indians didn’t steal this land from europeans, they fought for their land and won then tne europeans came back fought again and won and in turn stole the land that was rightfully the indians. Thats just to put it in simple terms. For that to be true that wouldve meant europeans discovered this land before the indians, then indians came here on a boat or landbridge after the Europeans and fought them for it and won. We all know that indians were well settled here before europeans which makes your story wildly ignorant. That story of a black man being the first slave owner is actually bogus too. Its a story made by simple minded white people like yourself so you can feel good about your heritage and not have to own up to your great grandparents heritage as a slave owner. While the story is true, he was not the first slave owner. I did my research before I posted this. Even if that story was correct which its not it still doesnt justify the horrific things white people did to those we enslaved. Yes I am white and proud of my moral standings on equal human rights. I bet your a white supremacist, and even if your not, YOUR IGNORANCE IS SHAMEFUL

  81. Chad Abbott | 12/19/2014 at 11:21 AM |

    Lol. What did you have to look at a book? What you use a few fancy word and all the sudden your correct all along?

    The bridge between Alaska and Russia you mean the bering bridge? Exactly my point. Native Americans were here first. Not Europeans you twat. We all came from central Africa. Then migrated. Hence why we have different skin color. We stole the natives land. Point blank. If it was ours why did we leave? Then come back and massacre their ppl? You’re a true idiot.

  82. Chad Abbott | 12/19/2014 at 11:20 AM |

    The fact that you believe that scares me. They came up with gambling? Pretty sure united states forced them into deserts and shit land. I grew up outside a reservation. You go live there you ignorant white cunt. Have you ever stepped foot on these “free” homes. I help build them. So shut your uneducated mouth. They wait 10-15 years for their free house in a fucking land nobody wants. 115 degrees. Yeah they’re really making it.

  83. Chad Abbott | 12/19/2014 at 11:16 AM |

    Lol. What did you have to look at a book? What you use a few fancy word and all the sudden your correct all along?

    The bridge between Alaska and Russia you mean the bering bridge? Exactly my point. Native Americans were here first. Not Europeans you twat. We all came from central Africa. Then migrated. Hence why we have different skin color. We stole the natives land. Point blank. If it was ours why did we leave? Then come back and massacre their ppl? You’re a true idiot.

  84. Jodi Day | 12/19/2014 at 10:58 AM |

    ROFL!!! You’re so very eloquent with your infantile name calling. If you weren’t such an obvious mentally deficient individual, I’d contemplate a bit of debate but, you’ve proven that it’s beyond you. My information is absolutely correct. You’re welcome to do a bit of research & educate your ignorant self but, I’m guessing it’s beyond you. The Europeans were here when there was still a land bridge connecting the continents. You DO know about the land bridge, right?! History didn’t start with the wars between native Americans & colonists, you know. This planet has been here for quite some time before the native Americans, colonists, slaves, etc…The land wasn’t empty, it was occupied by Europeans. The fact that the truth scares you & drives you to slanderous ignorance & schoolyard name calling speaks volumes about your character. It’s people like you that are incapable of researching & educating themselves that spread lies, ignorance & hate. As for the slaves, I told you the truth which is pretty common knowledge & easily verified. Feel free to continue your ignorance or education. That choice is yours.

  85. Chad Abbott | 12/19/2014 at 7:54 AM |

    And your education is shameful. Where’d you learn your history from?

    1st off you stupid inbred bitch. The conquistadors were here first. The Spanish. They were in search of gold. They ran through villages looking for gold and when they couldn’t find it they were raped and killed all the women and killed all the men. That is why there is Mexico now is because the Spanish took over that area of the Aztecs and Incas. What do you think that there was just nobody here on this land before we came here. So South America North America would just completely empty lands and the Indians came over and stole it from us? Do you realize how stupid you sound.?

    2nd the blacks sold their own slaves from Africa. For liquor and other things.

    I still really can’t even get past the fact that you really believe that this was an empty land and that we just came along and found it. It scares me to think that you possibly have children that you are teaching this to

  86. Duck_Season | 12/19/2014 at 6:09 AM |

    Bunch of BS! This was a lesson in World History, and happened to include some historical facts about Islam in the Middle East. There was no attempt to “indoctrinate” students into Islam at all. He was banned from the school after threatening to come and cause a disturbance. I wish writers would do some research before spewing nonsense, or was this a deliberate attempt to draw readers? Just more ridiculous Islamaphobia! smh

  87. Not the praying part, but the understanding of the beliefs of others is OK. Maybe even some Christians might find out what there religion is actually supposed to be. Most of them sure seem to be missing the boat.

  88. Do you have a clue what Muslim principles are or any other religion or culture for that matter? That is the point. They are not preaching a religion at school they are educating kids about other cultures and religions . God forbid your children aren’t as ignorant as you. Most of what the man in the article is squawking about are nothing but hateful myths. The kids can say Jesus in school, read the bible in their spare time, even have religious clubs just like any other clubs. Teachers can not however favor. lead devotions, or tell children what religion to follow. They can even use the bible for history of culture etc. Kids can use religious materials for assignments where it applies. It would do you all good to learn about Islam instead of equating it with some irrational fear of Muslims. Maybe you would figure out that terrorism and being a Muslim are far from the same thing. If it were pointed out the religion of every person that did something evil (or at least the one they claim to be) all religions would be evil. George Washington was not known for being a Christian. He was known for believing in a creator and providence. God…it is not determined the nature or exact beliefs he held. Muslims believe in God too. For that matter they believe in Jesus, the virgin birth, and most of the things Christians do. They do not believe Jesus was God. They believe he was a prophet. The most important prophet and will return as the Messiah. They do not believe he died, but that he was ascended strait to be with God. But they are very clear the is only ONE God. They do not consider Christians and Jews infidels. They consider them people of the book. “Let there be no compulsion in religion” . Yeah that is from the Quran. “To take the life of one is equal to taking the life of all mankind. To save the life of one is equal to saving mankind.”. I know you probably hear about the out of context things that sound evil and violent. That is because any religion can be perverted and be made dangerous to ignorant or people who are in fear. Christians have fallen for that and still do sometimes. Ignorance of your own and other religions can both be dangerous. If you don’t want you kids to know about other religions or cultures…teach them at home and keep them ignorant to the rest of the world. I am sure the founders would approve…(sarcasm)
    Most people in the US don’t even have a clue where most Muslims live and have silly assumptions about how they look. They generalize them as if they are some other life form. It really is sad.

  89. Mark Danger Bernhard | 12/18/2014 at 11:16 PM |

    This is a blatantly misleading argument. Schools are not banned from discussing or studying religion, including Christianity. A public school cannot do anything that ENDORSES religion, such as school prayer, religious iconography, etc. It is possible to learn about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, HInduism, Paganism, etc. without being asked to believe or convert to these beliefs. Kids can learn about horses in school without being asked to become a horse. Kids can learn about French history in school without being expected to learn the language or renounce their American citizenship. The person who wrote this story knows better, and the article is worded in a way that shows he does but is careful to steer the reader toward an emotional reaction rather than a genuine understanding of the facts or the real story. This is propaganda. Fall for it and you aren’t conservatives, you are sheep.

  90. woman. we worship the same god. no really, look it up. look. it. up. now. And the reason things like this are being taught is because there are brainwashed morons strewn throughout our country who are misinformed (much like yourself) about the muslim faith. teaching kids about what it really is prevents them from coming out ignorant and full of unjust prejudice (taught by their parents) for an entire group of people. this is progress. God bless america for turning us in a direction that will lead us to social progress.. its finally doing something right

  91. Jodi Day | 12/18/2014 at 4:31 PM |

    Actually the native Americans took the land from Europeans so, if you want to play that game then the Native Americans stole the land from the white man whom later returned & took it back. This country wasn’t built on the backs of slaves either. The first slave owner was a black man that sued to have an indentured servant that had repaid his debt to him declared a slave & won. So actually, slavery in America was founded by a black man. If you’re going to attempt to use ancient history as the basis for your argument, at least learn the history & tell the truth not lies to attempt to make white people look bad. Your ignorance is shameful.

  92. Jodi Day | 12/18/2014 at 4:25 PM |

    The very fact that this is even a question shows the massive amount of corruption in the current anti-American government! No American child should be forced to learn about the cult of lies, hate & murder nor should they have to learn about their child rapist pedophile prophet! Obama & his Muslim Brotherhood terrorists should be serving time in Gitmo awaiting execution for treason! This will not be allowed to stand in America as long as true patriots still live & breathe!

  93. Yup peers | 12/18/2014 at 3:37 PM |

    The God that Muslims serve is the same God that Christians and Jews serve. I feel many have forgotten this point. Plus kids learn about Judaism in school, and Confucius and other religious practices. I fail to see the point of this rant.

  94. HunterGirl | 12/18/2014 at 10:57 AM |

    Students CAN talk about Jesus all they want as long as they are not part of a school-sponsored event where that student is acting as a representative of that school (i.e. a student council meeting, cheerleader at football game) or they are using their religion as a weapon to bully other students. When teachers are at school and performing their job (teaching in front of the kids) they do not have the right to promote one religion over other religions or no religion. Christianity MAY be studied in public school as long as it is part of a course which studies a multitude of religions. If is perfectly fine to teach about Islam as long as the class is also teaching about Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Shinto, etc.

  95. I agree. Where is the women’s movement when they should be denouncing the treatment of women under Islam?

  96. All of these quotes simply reinforce the need to keep government out of religion. They do not state that faith in God is wrong or a problem.

  97. not a liberal | 11/23/2014 at 7:12 PM |

    Muslims should not be in the United States at all. THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES. THEY ARE ENEMIES OF THE WORLD AS THEY HATE AND WANT TO DESTROY EVERYONE WHO IS NOT MUSLIM. They should stay in the Middle East and should not be welcome anywhere else in the world. They are barbarians and should all be killed if they venture out of their land. Hopefully, one day Israel will eliminate all of them.

  98. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/22/2014 at 11:31 AM |

    Oh, really? Then that makes it a Jewish and Islamic country too, because clearly the Judeo- part indicates Jewish intention and Islam follows–in fact insists on the knowledge of and adherence to–the Judeo-Christian principles. So you have to agree that this is a Jewish and Islamic nation also, right?

  99. Deacon Maxwell Gowan | 11/22/2014 at 10:56 AM |

    We are a Christian country founded on the 7 Judeo-Christian principles.

  100. James C. Elliott | 11/22/2014 at 9:07 AM |

    Not so sure about that. Every translation of the Bible right up to the most recent (English Standard Version) is painstakingly compared to the oldest original language manuscripts we have. For the Hebrew Scriptures, that means going back to even the Dead Sea Scroll editions (mostly fragments, but a complete scroll of Isaiah) with variations noted in footnotes. When St. Jerome translated the Bible into Latin for the Vulgate, he used the best Hebrew and Greek (the LXX) he had. His surviving letters detail some of his consternation that he was doing the best he could and feared it wasn’t good enough. FOR the New Testament, the earliest English versions9 Authorized or KJV) were based on a mere six partial manuscripts. Today we have over 5,600 complete, partial and fragmentary manuscripts dating back to around 150AD (or CE, if you prefer). Compare that to other ancient texts, such as Homer’s Illiad (the most numerous) with only about 600 ms texts, the earliest written 500 years after Homer. No one questions the reliability of the Illiad.
    We have a reasonable certainty that what we have is a close to the original as we can.

  101. James C. Elliott | 11/22/2014 at 8:54 AM |

    Agreed! As much as liberals like to say “There is no war on Christianity”, I don’t see any other religion coming under the same scrutiny or attack or having lawsuits filed against it, or increased government regulations on it. In fact, Islam was exempt from the HHS mandate and portions of Obamacare that is being forced on the Catholic Church-run groups.

  102. I imagined you clutching your pearls when you typed that…..

  103. Yah ok.

  104. Damien Cross | 11/21/2014 at 7:26 AM |

    I don’t care what you think I am NOT a Christian

  105. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/21/2014 at 1:01 AM |

    And that’s why it’s a good thing that religion isn’t a part of government because Christians such as yourself suck at understanding their own religion.

  106. bhops1965 | 11/19/2014 at 4:16 PM |

    Well, good old George was very public about his anti-religious feelings. Why don’t you find some quotes like truthinfacts did.

  107. When all else fails whip out the ol’ dependable, politically correct, personal attacks, character assassination, and all other manner of figurative pokes in the eye. It’s what happens when one can’t mount a reasonable credible factually based argument.

  108. Don’t mistake a cult with a religion.

  109. No wonder you’re lone boy, I don’t think your negative self has any friends. It must suck being you. You wouldn’t concede a point if a islamist had his knife at your throat screaming ala akbar. I will pray to St. Jude for you, the patron Saint of lost causes. Ya I know ya don’t need my prayers. Tough shit.

  110. Yes that is my point. Have you read history AT ALL? We tend to want to delude ourselves about the need for war. I am not denying that the cruelty and the savagery was there. I am saying we as a nation TODAY have more to worry about than people here in USA rummaging around the past to justify their whining today. America is the ONLY nation other than Rome to have a nation within a nation and the only thing these folks could come up with in any tribe was gambling?? They have scholarships up the butt handed to them and they spit on them. They have just as many opportunities as anyone else today. We can’t change the past but we can evolve our future so its not repeated. This country is divided enough. Yes we fought and took their land. They fought EACH OTHER over land lng before we ever got here so that’s lame. Seriously people do your research BEFORE posting!

  111. Wrong on the Muslim count. Not a Christian either. I’ve learned to think
    for myself rather than having my religion tell me what to think. YOU on the other hand are saying to “kill everyone that insults our God”. How does that make you any different from them?? Do you really think Jesus would approve of that? If that’s Christianity, you can have it.

  112. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/18/2014 at 8:23 PM |

    Since everything you wrote is not just wrong but outstandingly so, it’s obvious you never had any classes.

  113. Cherie Allgood | 11/18/2014 at 12:56 PM |

    I am so sick of the ignorance of history, and people whining about the early native Americans. The early native American tribes often fought with each other. And do people honestly think that any culture or nation was without slavery? So sick of people blaming the white man.

  114. Let's get serious | 11/18/2014 at 12:17 PM |

    There is a big difference between teaching religion as part of a history class (or literature class) and having prayers before school board meetings, etc. Introducing the material in a classroom to understand, compare and contrast is very different than observing the (often exclusive) practices of one religion to the exclusion of all others.

    Religion is playing a huge role in foreign and social policy. Understanding the dynamics from a social, historical and economic standpoint are important if we want to get this issues resolved. It is time that we started acting like thoughtful adults and not children who did not get our way.

    If you want to read a good book that demonstrates who religion can be discussed in a historical balanced way, read World Religions by Huston Smith.

  115. I didn’t think the 1st Amendment applies to cults and your right, it is a secular society which is without a doubt and historical fact based on Judea-Chistian belief and values. The cultist muslims need to understand, as well as any others who wishs to emigrate, and except, and assimilate, or get the hell out. Guess you slept through the classes.

  116. Rob Bannister | 11/17/2014 at 7:46 PM |

    They were defending their homeland. To say all’s fair in war when practically an entire race was slaughtered puts a heavy burden on our culture. The rich life average Americans enjoy today was built on the genocide of Indians and on the backs of slaves.

  117. Dave Sunhammer | 11/17/2014 at 5:45 PM |

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

    The second half is just as important as the first….”Congress shall make no law [ ] prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

    Selective interpretation of the laws is just ignorance and a clear attempt to make YOUR views the dominant views, and to trample the rights of others. Don’t want to believe in God, or anything, fine. But do not crap on anyone’s rights. And quit only quoting half of things as people are not as dumb as you make yourself look when you do it.

  118. Kathleen | 11/17/2014 at 3:54 PM |

    When my kid was in Jr. High they had six weeks of study on the 5 major religions. Guess which religion got 4 of those 6wks? Islam. Then the last 2 weeks they crammed the remaining 4 in. Does that make sense to you?

  119. Kathleen | 11/17/2014 at 3:51 PM |

    and yet Muslims are allowed to do this in school and in some have demanded prayer sinks.

  120. Kathleen | 11/17/2014 at 3:46 PM |

    Remember? Separation of Church and State. Not Temple or Mosque. Like how that works?

  121. There is one holy book and thats the bible,the true word of(Elohim)God

  122. Dang somebody is not only drinking the progressive liberal revisionist koolaid but asking for more…

  123. vietnamvet1971 | 11/17/2014 at 10:32 AM |

    You tell’em, they can stick that Perverted, EVIL religion up their Butts crossways, this is what the Evil Liberals are forcing on America and it will get worse, we have to stand up and fight these Minions of Satan at every chance we get.

  124. Antony Hallmark | 11/17/2014 at 5:13 AM |

    If anything all religions should be taught in all schools and one religion schools should be banned. This will help teach children about what religions are for and also give them a choice if they want to follow one or not.

  125. AMEN

  126. LarryE1946 | 11/16/2014 at 6:48 AM |

    It wasn’t their land to begin with. Who deeded it to them? Just because they were the first to invade, doesn’t make it theirs.

  127. Buford ButtFish | 11/15/2014 at 9:31 PM |

    FREEDOM of CHOICE; I think I don’t believe any of this $hite.

  128. JANET BROWN | 11/15/2014 at 7:13 PM |

    They are not teaching religion in the schools. They are teaching world religions which includes christianity, Judaism and islam. A Jewish person might be offended when christianity is studied and a paper has to be written. It is all the same

  129. JANET BROWN | 11/15/2014 at 7:10 PM |

    The same can be said of your christian bible. The Hebrew bible was mistranslated into latin and rewritten several times

  130. Rob Bannister | 11/15/2014 at 9:51 AM |

    “endowed by their creator” keeps the notion of God ambiguous so it would not show preference to a specific faith. Our inalienable rights come from a higher power than the laws of man. Part of that Freedom is being able to debate who or what form that Creator takes.

  131. Rob Bannister | 11/15/2014 at 9:48 AM |

    The 1st amendment specifically setup the United States as a secular nation. The ultra far right fundamentalist Christians perpetuate a significant amount of mythology regarding the origins of the American system and Christianity suggesting that the founders as a group were like-minded with today’s ultra-reactionary anti-intellectual fundamentalists. The founders, in fact, were spiritually quite advanced. Most of them believed in a far more intellectual form of spirituality often influenced by 18th century “age of reason philosophers who spoke of “natural law” and “nature’s God.” Deism ideals were popular among many of them. Some colonies wanted to have a specific spiritual identity, but the framers rejected that. They felt the “reasonable” approach was to let the state tend to its own duties and keep it limited. For people to have true religious freedom was to keep the government out of religious matters. From Jefferson forward, the concept of separation between church and state was one of the most basic building blocks of the American system. At times, some particularly assertive Christian movements have attempted to use their majority status to force their religious beliefs and rituals into the chambers of government and seek state imposition of their religious concepts on the public at large. The courts have been quick to void any attempts at theocratic encroachment. While American culture is rich with Christian customs and Judeo-Christian values are strongly reflected in our laws and sense of justice, AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION. All Americans regardless of their religion or lack of enjoy the same status vis-à-vis the law. The government and the courts are constantly challenged not to let the majority overwhelm the protection of individual rights or the freedoms less mainstream faiths. As such, Muslims should expect every freedom to conduct their religious preference but expect no special considerations or legal permission not granted to all other faiths. Where laws are found to have no other basis than satisfying the desires of a specific religion or fait, the legal system is obliged to strike them down no matter how unpopular such as banning school led prayer in public school.

  132. Good points, but I take exception to the part at the end where they say “The separation of Church and State applies to everyone in this country” which is simply not true. It applies to NOONE because it is not what the 1st Amendment states. This is a phrase Jefferson used after the Constitution was written and not part of it. If we concede that worn out and frankly ignorant phrase to be true then we may as well give up our right to “freedom OF religion (not FROM) and the free exercise thereof (which is what it in fact does state). The phrase represents the absolute polar opposite of the intent of the 1st Amendment and people need to be keen on that. Ask someone under 35-40 (and many even older) if “Separation of church and state” is what the Constitution states, and most of the time they will answer “yes”. Ignorance is dangerous. A whole generation believes it, then the Amendment will be changed, and soon.

  133. Nancy Searle | 11/14/2014 at 2:16 PM |

    TJN I don’t think that’s what is being said. I think if prayer and any Christian references are removed so should all Muslim/Islam references be denied. But they are teaching the loving religion of Islam under the guise of social studies….not right at all – if you hate America so much why do you stay here? If you think we are reaping what we sow you could certainly go somewhere else……

  134. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/14/2014 at 12:51 PM |

    Yes you did sleep through all your lessons and you’re clearly a man of science fiction.

  135. roscojim | 11/14/2014 at 10:18 AM |

    What we need to do is empower our kids to refuse to have anything to do with Islam garbage. Refuse to write reports on them, and then raise holy hell when the teacher complains. I teach college, but if I taught younger kids, I wouldn’t even assign that trash.

  136. bhops1965 | 11/14/2014 at 9:26 AM |

    Anyone can pray to jesus if they want at any time. What shouldn’t be allowed is organized prayer by school representatives or school sponsorship in public schools.

  137. bhops1965 | 11/14/2014 at 9:23 AM |

    Wow…so might is right – that’s your point?

  138. bhops1965 | 11/14/2014 at 9:21 AM |

    Hmm….which god shall I pray to….Zeus? I like him…how about Apollo – that’s the one…perhaps I should just randomly select one each day…just to cover all my bases…in 4 or 5 years, I’ll be able to cover them all 😉

  139. Christians don’t kill non christians. A True Christian doesn’t kill at all. Men that have distorted the teachings of Christ and the Word of God to achieve their own ends have killed. His teachings are of love and moral values. Man is the one to get it wrong.

  140. Damien Cross | 11/14/2014 at 8:01 AM |

    Bob, Bob, Bob.
    I post facts to disprove you & all you want to do is insult me because I proved you wrong?
    Then by all means, Insult away.
    If it helps your defeated ego to insult me, go for it. I am glad to help.

    Oh, I don’t believe in 99% of the crap out on the internet.

  141. Damien Cross | 11/14/2014 at 7:59 AM |

    Come on now Bob, I was hoping for so much more from you.

    As for a low IQ. Mine has been measured at 134.

    Your insults reek of someone who was bullied in school. I am so sorry for that & I really do feel bad for you.

    If you vote for either party, you only serve to prove just how uninformed you really are. Both parties in our political system are corrupt beyond repair.

    I am awaiting you next round of insults with great interest.
    Please make them good.
    I really do hate being bored.

  142. Dean Andrews | 11/14/2014 at 2:19 AM |

    What text book are you reading from? A Government school one? The country was founded on religious and personal freedom you assclown. Quit being a sock puppet for others.

  143. Dean Andrews | 11/14/2014 at 2:17 AM |

    Pack your bags and leave then dip shit. My mothers side of the family is Cherokee. They aren’t raising a stink about it. So speak for yourself you muppet.

  144. Dean Andrews | 11/14/2014 at 2:15 AM |

    Yes I did, and I’m also a man of science as well. But one thing secularism teaches is a lack of moral sense. That the line between right and wrong is blurred. I guess you missed that one didn’t you big mouth?

  145. This isn’t about the ignorance of mankind centuries ago. You and I weren’t born then. That’s like trying to blame the white man for owning slaves 150 years ago in this country. You are not going to punish me for the civil rights violations taking place in this country 50 years ago. It was wrong then and it’s wrong today. All men are created equal and if the Atheist groups want to ban our kids from talking to God in school. The rest of us have to insure that they are not forced to write papers on the history of a death cult. I wasn’t alive to stand up for the Indians you talk about. You never stood up for them either because we weren’t here. I am old enough however to stand up for equality and the constitution that protects you and I when having this debate. I have friends that are Atheist and we respect our rights to believe what we wish. They don’t force their beliefs anymore than I force mine. I will always stand up for their right to not believe. I will also stand up to them in a second if they try to force their beliefs on others while not allowing others to believe as they do. They say this country has taken God out of schools which is a joke. You can’t take God out of anything because he is in every inch of this world. You can’t force children to believe anything and if you don’t allow them to decide on whether they believe in Jesus then you can’t turn around and force them to write papers on a pedophile and religion of any sorts…. God bless you sir and I thank you for your opinion. We won’t always agree but I am grateful we live in a country to have opinions of our own… Whether you believe in God or not I am certain he believes in you. He created you and for that reason you will always get my respect… God bless you and may he forever bless this world we all call home… Semper Fi, Shep

  146. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/13/2014 at 9:06 AM |

    I guess you missed the part where the Indians were here first and the Christians took a decidedly non-Christian turn against those Native Americans. The Plymouth Rock crowd would have completely died off but for the charitable acts of the so-called savages. What exactly makes this a “Christian” nation in your mind? Because there’s blessed little that Jesus would approve of here.

  147. triangle whip | 11/13/2014 at 1:51 AM |

    All you ding-bats that go out and criticize the early Europeans Americans, listen up. 1- Many E A,s immigrated here in the early 20th century. And they did nothing against the Indigenous. 2 It was E A.s that allow ALL RACES EQUAL , Can you find that in the East Middle East, or even Africa, or a Muslim nation? I don’t think so.. 3- E A,s created a civilized set of laws ie [constitution] that protects ALL OF US from tyranny. that’s why we can bicker all we want with out worrying on being arrested.. 4- E A once again invented vast technologies and schooling that helps not just US, but the whole world. 5- And E A 1st produced and still dominates the charities for needy people all over, especially in turd world countries… 6-The USA was founded by the Europeans, for better or worse. 7-And as for persecuting, other people, who did not? Call me a racist. i don’t care.. But if you are so bothered of the whites so much, then please leave and live some where else. Because the whitey still make the majority here. And you won’t be happy living here. Life is short…

  148. triangle whip | 11/13/2014 at 1:22 AM |

    If you feel so guilty of that, go back to Europe..

  149. I read some of these comments and can’t constrain myself from laughing at total ignorance. War and killing are the result of sin, something inherited in the Garden of Eden. Muslims kill in the name of Allah, Christian’s kill in the name of Jesus, and there is always an excuse for who is right. The German’s had inscribed on their belt buckles; “God Is With Us,” while just about every American sent into battle is doing the “will of God.” One famous Genera said; “We kill’em and let God sort them out. ” Now that is cold, that is a spirit based upon hatred, not self defenses or self preservation, a haft to situation, war and killing should never be reduced to a level of sport. War and death are about as terrible as a nation or people can attain to. Now come on, who is right? By the way, history has shown that the God fearing white man broke just about every treaty ever made with the Indians, and if that isn’t enough, take a look at the “Trail Of Tears” with the peaceful Cherokees. If war (conquering new lands by slaughtering into extinction, or decimating the natives of said lands is a “evolutionary act” and normal for mankind to engage a foreign land less advanced by those more advanced, then how can America (less than two hundred fifty years old) and England be justified in destroying countries like Iran, Iraq, and other lands of the middle east that have been around for more than four thousand years and from which our own alphabet, art, and many forms of mathematics have come from? As far as “building walls” to protect against the native Indians, are we not still building military and nuclear walls to protect against countries that would attack and steal what we have stolen?

    These childish arguments can go on into infinity and never be settled, because war and killing, greed, corruptness are natural components of man’s sin nature and will not end until the Master of Creation returns and ends it. Get a grip! Do a little studying of history. The white man is no angel by any stretch of the imagination ( I am white), we enslaved our own while still in the old country before ever arriving in America, and if you are wise enough to receive it, we are still enslaving our own right here in America today and we haven’t seen the worst yet, they may not be actual chains, but chains of total control none the less. Above all, please don’t drag a holy God (Jesus) into these stupid arguments. Satan’s main roll is to keep us all at war and ins sin by keeping us majoring in minors. Arguing over trivial BS! We should be more concerned by what is just ahead of us, not too far down the road. Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things (such as wisdom and knowledge) shall be added unto you.


  150. Rob Bannister | 11/11/2014 at 4:43 AM |

    I voted for McCain in 08 and Romney in 2012. You are so (……..ing) stupid, but your presumptions are entertaining because they’re so off base. My only problem with the 2nd amendment is psychopath low IQ sociopaths like you are hard to screen out and wind up with guns. Fortunately, you’re such a dumb ass, you’d probably find a way to win a Darwin award with your gun and as long as nobody innocent gets hurt in the process, the human gene pool would be improved. I don’t think I’ve voted for a Democrat in 30 years.

  151. Rob Bannister | 11/11/2014 at 4:36 AM |

    Keep digging. Nobody gives a crap about what shallow low life bigots have to say about anything and you really went off the deep end into the nut zone talking about stuff like FEMA camps. Don’t worry, last night had a chip implanted in your brain right next to the one NSA put there A black helicopter full of Muslims are coming to saw your head off for calling them “sand niggers” an expression alone that proves you are incapable of anything short of pure white trash insanity. I must admit your persistence is humorous and there’s nothing like cheap laughs. Oh it would be so ironic if you got the shit pounded out of you for your filthy bigoted mouth and you’d wake up in recovery with a Muslim doctor who just saved your life. I have no problem with decent Muslims. More of them have suffered at the hands of Jihadi killers than anyone else. You’re too stupid to know that.
    Let’s see, you point out one sex crime committed by a Muslim. How many do you think we’d find of Christians? You know the Catholic Church is trying real hard to deal with its pedophiles after years of neglect. Man, I’m just dreaming of some Muslims catching on to you. You’d better get an iron collar around your neck. FEMA camps, you are funny.

  152. How can this be a secular country, when it was pioneered by purutan christians? I guess you missed that day in history class. You know the whole part about Plymouth Rock and so on?

  153. im curious does anyone know what was the response of the school? How did they even defend this? I totally agree would be interesting to know what their position was or how they defended this?

  154. Sheila N Lynn | 11/10/2014 at 4:47 PM |

    I believe that everyone of us has the right to be able to pray to God. And NOT have Islam forced down our throats every where we go. Its not fair their taking our rights away from us.. We need a God fearing man as president not the man who is there NOW!! This country deserves a HEALING like no other.. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. Please stay safe and hold God in your hearts..

  155. Randy Cable | 11/10/2014 at 7:27 AM |


  156. Damien Cross | 11/09/2014 at 9:19 PM |

    I can & do understand that but if these SandNiggers want their religion taught in OUR schools and no other religion is allowed, now I have a problem.

    Islam is NOT tolerant of any other religion.

    Muslims will kill non-believers or those who speak of Islam in a hateful manner.

    I hate ALL muslims.


  157. Rob Bannister | 11/09/2014 at 9:15 PM |

    I had really cool parents who treated me great and school was pretty darned nice except some of my teachers were dullards. I had lots of friends, different backgrounds, different things that floated their boats. Life is a never ending adventure in God’s creation. I finally see something you have to offer I completely agree with, you “don’t give a fuck what people think!” That pretty much says it all.

  158. Rob Bannister | 11/09/2014 at 8:12 PM |

    Mr. Cross, I simply am not magnanimous enough to pity you for your profound ignorance and blinding hatred toward people you lack the humanity and intellect to understand. Of course you can’t understand me. I am far more intelligent, better educated, and far more understanding and compassionate toward humanity than you are. Even dogs are far more in touch with the world that you are because they can show love and empathy. Like an insolent little childish brat, when confronted with wisdom and maturity, you can only resort to pouting and calling vulgar names. I guess when your intellect is so obviously empty, you must think creating filthy obscene insults some empowers you. How sad, but I certainly also realize men with a lot less patience than me would clock you for such an insult. You’re such a pathetic cipher, you’re not worth the emotional investment. wouldn’t even waste a well deserved “FU” on you because I won’t stoop to your bottom feeder world outlook. Perhaps some life experience will open your eyes…. GOOD LUCK!

  159. Damien Cross | 11/09/2014 at 8:01 PM |

    Thank you for your kind words.

    I take it from your writing that you were either an abused youngster or one of the Geeks that used to get picked on a lot in school.
    Either way, I feel sorry for you.

    Your words don’t mean anything to me as I don’t give a fuck what people think!

  160. It was an essay and the hypocrisy of this story is that kids are not allowed to talk about God or Jesus then papers on Satans son Muhammad should not be allowed either… God bless you and thanks for your comment…

  161. Umm don’t yell at me, but it sounds like an essay that they had to do while studying religion in history class.

  162. Diane Fox | 11/09/2014 at 2:38 PM |

    I believe you have missed the important jist of the conversation. Jesus is no longer allowed to be taught or talked about or prayed to or acknowledged in schools other than private Christian institutes by GOVERNMENT decree so in keeping all fair, NEITHER should ANY OTHER belief or deity be allowed. Put the law back to allow any religion to be practiced in schools and all will be well??? I think not. Muslims are pushing their agenda along with their religion in this country. They may find that in this country we don’t take kindly to being told what we can and can’t practice while they push their woman demeaning, abusing male pontificating crap on us in our schools and public agendas!! AS a woman there is no way no where no how I would ever demean myself to belong to a religion that abuses and demeans their women the way Islam does!

  163. Diane Fox | 11/09/2014 at 2:31 PM |

    Better read some of his letters and speeches. He was a man of Christ.

  164. Diane Fox | 11/09/2014 at 2:29 PM |

    Native Americans no matter what tribe, gave as good as they got! The whites just happened to win. ALLS fair in war.

  165. Diane Fox | 11/09/2014 at 2:28 PM |

    Secular Schools teach secular belief when allowed because the TRUTH scares the crap out of people like you. CHRISTIANITY founded the government here. Native Americans were praying to Gods very similar to our God. Further west we came the more similar our beliefs were but due to the greed and insanity of men the then US government used slaughter instead of communication. But LONG before an established government was here in US there was a belief in a white God. For those of you not familiar with TRUE Christian beliefs here is the sum of it all.. Love thy brother as yourself. Few of us get it right but then we are human which is why we need Jesus’s teachings to help us to remember we are not better than nor are we weak. This country is BASED ON CHRISTIAN ethics so by the time people like you are done with it it will truly fall. Ignorance always leads to destruction. BTW…when on a crashing plane or a sinking ocean liner or when being attacked by SECULAR street thugs, who do you ask for help?? I’ve always wanted ask a SECULAR academic that.

  166. Diane Fox | 11/09/2014 at 2:20 PM |

    No one in this country has any beef with any religion that is peaceful and doesn’t behead United States Citizens for NOTHING! I love my country because MY family fought and died to keep people like you free to spread your uneducated ideologies that muslims are a peaceful religion. I have nothing to defend BW but people like you do. Makes me wonder what religion YOU are if any. Schools were started as a way to teach ALL children in the US original colonies how to read so they could read the BIBLE ya dumb ass. Do your history cks before you start blabbing here! BTW..U know nothing about the TRUE Christian belief system. You and people like you are no more than a mere annoyance as ignorance usually is to those well versed in a subject which you are not. Come back when ya have the education to go with your mouth.

  167. Tommy Shaw | 11/09/2014 at 1:40 PM |

    Im not a Christian, and I wish islam would go bye bye….

  168. Tommy Shaw | 11/09/2014 at 1:40 PM |

    Good for him

  169. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/09/2014 at 1:36 PM |

    Right! After them, the Mexicans, then the Jews, then the Catholics, then the Italians, the Irish, and the Chinese. Then the blacks, of course, and let’s face it, some of them are Muslim anyway. Then the Oglala, the Cheyenne, the Ojibwe, the Potowatomi, the Oneida, the Cherokee, the Navajo, and all the other Nations can do with the rest in the same way because they failed to be as smart as you are about the Muslims.

  170. Mike Wyvill | 11/08/2014 at 11:50 PM |

    You do know that later, in this elective class (that I took 38 years ago at this very same school) they will be discussing the Reformation. That event cannot be3 discussed without discussing Christianity,

  171. Rob Bannister | 11/08/2014 at 8:23 PM |

    Anyone who has no more maturity, civility and sophistication to resort calling another person “an inbreed (should be inbred) ‘fucktard’,” renders himself to be a lowlife narrow minded cretin who looks especially ignorant when discussing religion — where my understanding of Christianity, your kind of attitude and treatment for others sure isn’t welcome unless you attend some yokel hick church. If you’re so stupid you don’t even realize that the reciting the “pledge” is the norm in most public schools across the nation, you’re far too stupid to understand the issues under discussion here. You’d also be entitled to a muscular punch in the jaw and kick in the balls for the things you call other people. You are the lowest form of worthless scum, a filthy hater, a purposefully stupid advocate of pure nonsense, and if you are truly motivated by Christianity, attend a church that teaches peace an harmony with the Golden Rule being supreme. How hilarious that when you’re on the operating table a Jew, Muslim, Indian, or person far removed from your retrograde nonsense might be the person to save your life to carry on your hatred of decent humans. You’re too pitiful to evoke much anger. One just hopes some life experience will awaken you to the goodness of others and if you have any of that in yourself, that might grow and become your focus. More likely, you’ll pop off your mouth at the wrong person who won’t put up with your contempt for others and deck you on your hateful butt. HAVE A NICE LIFE ONCE YOU GET OVER YOUR INTENSE HATRED OF KNOWLEDGE, LOGIC, REASON, AND PEOPLE WHO DON’T CONFORM TO YOUR TINY LITTLE WORLD OF NEO-NAZI RETROGRADES.

  172. HolyBoy Road | 11/08/2014 at 6:19 PM |


  173. Jeffrey P. Garlach | 11/08/2014 at 2:48 PM |

    Our Country was built on Christian principles, Islam had nothing to do with it!!! A giant Deportation round-up needs to happen before they try to assimilate us and impose their ridiculous Sharia law!!!!

  174. Jeffrey P. Garlach | 11/08/2014 at 2:42 PM |

    Deport all Muslims, NOW, including Barach OBAMA!!!! They all hate us and want to kill us all and have no place in OUR society !!!

  175. AnnaGraceS | 11/08/2014 at 11:16 AM |

    I wish I knew the name of this school… I’d be on the phone every day protesting and making a scene from Texas!!!

  176. Damien Cross | 11/08/2014 at 9:23 AM |

    I’m sorry, I can’t understand inbreed fucktards like you…….lol

  177. Damien Cross | 11/08/2014 at 9:21 AM |

    You first Lady……..lol

  178. shawn young | 11/08/2014 at 1:33 AM |

    “…so long as each respects the equal rights of all men.”

  179. Kourtney René Smith | 11/08/2014 at 1:26 AM |

    Is anyone else offended that this article compared Islam to worship in Satan? Or the parts about Muhammad and his wife, which exude ignorance. That was the norm at that time; people didn’t live that long back then. Mary was 12 or 13, and Joseph in his 30s. So please sit down and shut up. Your stupidity is showing. On a side note, I’m glad they teach culture to children. With the war and everything on the media, many people think all Muslims are gun-toting nut bags with bombs strapped to them at all times. I have a few Muslim friends, and neighbors, and they are just a nice as can be. ISIS, AL Qeda etc, are extremists. Christians have them too. What about those that bomb abortion clinics? The so called Army of God? Or the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in ’96? Yet no one associates all Christians with these people. Schools should teach about all religions, Christian and Muslim, and everything else. This country could use more knowledge of the world and the people in it. Maybe then racism and religious hatred would end. Not likely, but hey, one can dream.

  180. shawn young | 11/08/2014 at 1:19 AM |

    Evolution is an athiest religion, that infiltrated our schools and government a,very, long time ago.

  181. finishstrongdoc | 11/07/2014 at 5:44 PM |

    If gov’t schools bring in Planned Parenthood interns to advise gov’t kids how to avoid parental involvement should they get pregnant, and talk to them about masturbation (in kindergarten), then a talk about Muhammad’s life should be a breath of fresh air for gov’t kids.

  182. KIdGallahad | 11/07/2014 at 12:19 PM |

    “Congress shall enact no law ‘favoring’ an establishment of religion, nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.” Based on this, prayer and religion in schools is ok. But of, course, respect and investigation of others’ beliefs must also be tolerated and expected. Maybe have different cultural days through out the year and rotate praying?

  183. KIdGallahad | 11/07/2014 at 11:39 AM |

    Can’t believe he said what he did. Obama is such a capitulating “peace at all costs” joke of a president.

  184. Chris Wilson | 11/06/2014 at 5:20 PM |

    You need to go slap your teachers or whoever told you this someone has seriously lied to you The one founding father that is often considered the least religious Ben Franklin vews on religion would lead to him being considered deeply religious by today’s standards. but dont trust me google Ben Franklin and religion or any of the others and religion and find out for yourself in this day and age to be so tragically misinformed is just lazy to be fair several were deists who believed in God although perhaps not in that Jesus was his son and several made or wrote statements against what established religion especially the Catholic had become but these same arguments still range among the religious of today

  185. ReasonAmongstFools | 11/06/2014 at 2:07 PM |

    It is amazing how many Americans are perfectly willing to just believe things that they read on the internet without even taking a minute or two to research them to find out if they are true or not. This school was NOT teaching Islamic prayers – where did you get that?? Willful ignorance is not something to be proud of.

  186. ReasonAmongstFools | 11/06/2014 at 2:05 PM |

    This is not true because the class in question DOES study the concepts and role of Christianity (while learning about the Renaissance and Reformation) just as it studies the concepts and role of the Islamic faith (while learning about the development of the Middle East) and just as it studies the concepts and role of Hinduism and Buddhism (while learning about the development of China and India.) If they’re learning about all religions equally – not being taught what to believe or how to pray, but just how the religions pertain to the politics, culture, economics and geography, then there is nothing at all wrong with it. This article says that “Jesus isn’t welcome in school”, which is not true – we just should not allow our government to be in charge of teaching our children what religion to believe (and seriously, do you really want that? Do you trust our government to teach your children religion??) Prayer is and always will be welcome in public schools – but that means students praying on their own to whatever God they want to pray to and not forcing others to listen, participate, or be silent while they pray. Bibles are allowed in public schools, but students are not allowed (and should not be allowed) to read them in Math class because they’re supposed to be listening to the teacher and learning Math.

  187. UwasaWahya | 11/06/2014 at 1:38 PM |

    You were doing great up until the crusades remark. The Crusades were in response to Muslim aggression.

  188. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”……That’s your boy Jefferson BTW. So yeah, America was intended to be a place where one was free to practice any religion they so desired.

  189. crgrandma105 | 11/06/2014 at 10:23 AM |

    We are “O ne Nation Under God”, this country needs and I pray that God helps us before the Muslims Destrys Us, with the help of Obama

  190. The separation of church and state was intended to free people from government telling them what religion they must follow. We are bowing to Muslims now who tell their people they must follow Islam or die. That is what our founders were addressing

  191. The five pillars of islam are Murder, rape, theft, misogyny and pedophilia.

  192. Toemoss | 11/05/2014 at 7:37 PM |

    America is a free country, you have freedom of choice, If your stupid and want Islam that is OK, If your brilliant and want Christianity, that’s OK

  193. Please just rapture yourself already…

  194. And christians want to kill all non-christians…

    Can us reasonable people just sit aside and let you religious fundies blow yourselves up, like in new mexico?

    You can blow everyone up and send yourselves off to “heaven”… We can call it the Raptard!

  195. Terry Roberts | 11/05/2014 at 7:11 PM |

    maybe not a muslim country but we have musiems as part of our society. Learning a prayer of another religion is not bad. there may be a time when that prayer would be needed to sooth one of our muslems . What stinks is that our Christian kids can’t pray in our schools. By the way, where are all the stand up people who are against prayer in school and not suing because muslems are prayin????

  196. Terry Roberts | 11/05/2014 at 7:08 PM |

    Every one to their own religion but one thing i stand for is if one religion is taught or let pray, then let all religions pray and be taught. Remember the people on the school boards. Next election make sure they are not back to spread their nonsense of screwing Americans.

  197. eillem123 | 11/05/2014 at 1:42 PM |

    I believe that islam is Satans’ war on humanity. It is a death cult based in mans’ inhumanity to man. By their fruits you shall know them – what do muslims do? Kill, maim, torture each other and everyone else.

  198. Jerry Boyden | 11/05/2014 at 7:11 AM |

    IT’s in ALL the schools. I hope someone will sue. They will have to dress up as a Muslim in this class, and pick a Muslim name, and memorize a prayer to Allah. seriously, this is not hate speech just reality check. Pls someone sue.

  199. Bud_Dwyers_Brain | 11/04/2014 at 9:33 PM |

    Sniffffff….Do you smell that?!? It’s redneck cologne, and the odor is strong in here

  200. Ray Delbury | 11/04/2014 at 8:37 PM |

    November 4, 2014

    Sylvia Larson
    Ass. Superintendent of School Administration
    La Plata Highschool Maryland

    Via – e-mail — [email protected]

    Dear Sylvia Larson,

    I find it quite appalling that you (plural) have the audacity to ban a father (Kevin Wood) of a student attending your school district who chooses to use his first amendment right to free speech and at the same time protesting the fact that your school system promotes a religion, namely Islam by requiring student(s) to write a paper on the five pillars of Islam from public school property.
    Your action is tantamount to requiring the same student(s) to write a paper on the Hebrew/Christian ten commandments. I personally do not believe the Jeffersonian letter to George Washington had anything to do with keeping the Church separate from the State nor does the first amendment. However this is not the format for that argument. I will accept the modern progressive twisted interpretation of “The Separation of Church from State” for this example and tell you to keep ALL religion out of our schools including but not limited to ISLAM.

    Very Truly Yours,

    Raymond A. Delbury

  201. margova | 11/04/2014 at 7:52 PM |

    Oh? I thought a trolls work was never done. Guess I was mistaken. Thanks for the wonderful news.

  202. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/04/2014 at 7:04 PM |

    Good! My work here is done.

  203. Jim Ricketts | 11/04/2014 at 6:40 PM |

    Separation of church and state better start at that high school today. That’s the law.

  204. margova | 11/04/2014 at 5:10 PM |

    You’re annoying. I have forgotten my initial point. Kudos, Dr. Clusterfuck.

  205. Hating GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED churches, such as Church of England. Virtually ALL the Founders were religious men and women. They only wanted to worship God as THEIR beliefs dictated.

  206. mickey5020 | 11/04/2014 at 4:03 PM |

    Some of you are missing the point , they are allowing teaching Islam in schools but are not allowing Christianity to be taught. Some one is being punished also for not wanting to write an essay on Islam because they believe if you can’t teach other religions you should not be forced to study the Muslim religion. They are absolutely correct in refusing to do the assignment there should not be exception for the Muslim religion for study or the practice of it in American schools. If a person wants to learn or study a religion they should do that in their church or at a College level class that should be offered containing a conglomerate of all religions.

  207. mickey5020 | 11/04/2014 at 3:55 PM |

    Also if religion , which it will intercept with other studies, is part of say history, it should not be a case of studying the religion it should only be studied as to how it affected or pertained to the particular part of history or what ever subject they are being taught.

  208. mickey5020 | 11/04/2014 at 3:51 PM |

    Some of you are missing the point , they are allowing teaching Islam in schools but are not allowing Christianity to be taught. Some one is being punished also for not wanting to write an essay on Islam because they believe if you can’t teach other religions you should not be forced to study the Muslim religion. They are absolutely correct in refusing to do the assignment there should not be exception for the Muslim religion for study or the practice of it in American schools. If a person wants to learn or study a religion they should do that in their church or at a College level class that should be offered containing a conglomerate of all religions.

  209. Nice Gina you know your history!! refreshing and very well stated. So many people do not understand the separation of church and state. Well done.

  210. Dennis Griffin | 11/04/2014 at 3:16 PM |

    He didn’t hate
    church he like many others hated being forced to bow down to the catholic church which more or less controlled jolly old England !

  211. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/04/2014 at 2:30 PM |

    Critical thinker=Illuminati? This is hilarious.

    I went on a couple of German websites discussing the Freemason theories that have surfaced about Karlsruhe, supposedly an inspiration for Washington DC. If you read German, you ought to give that a try, because they are scathing in their contempt for people who buy into the youtube videos that “prove” that Karlsruhe is a Freemason master design. Again, because I can’t link to citations without having my comment thrown out, I’ll just suggest you try “Karlsruhe” plus “Freimaurer” in Google.

    Have fun!

  212. roscojim | 11/04/2014 at 2:14 PM |

    And others were here before them. Quit looking ignorant.

  213. Common knowledge to the critical thinker. DC’s layout is INDEED Freemason thru and thru.
    Hate truth and love lies much?

  214. holysmokes | 11/04/2014 at 11:48 AM |

    It appears to boil down to whether this was being taught as religion, or looked at from a historical and/or educational aspect about the religion itself. In other words, not being taught Islam, but being taught about what it is. In a case like that, it seems to me that any religion, including Christianity, could also be talked about. No praying, no asking to believe, just what each of them are. Of course my opinion may be a bit different, primarily because I find all religions distasteful. As a retired military man, I swore to uphold the highest law of the land …the United States Constitution. Religions need to respect and abide by that in this country.

  215. Neverafreeride | 11/04/2014 at 10:26 AM |

    I support this Marine. Either every religion should be authorized or no religion, especially Islam, which treats its women like cattle or slaves.

  216. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/04/2014 at 10:10 AM |

    Since on this site linking to any kind of source automatically gets your comment suppressed, I’ll repeat my reply from last evening without the citation.

    Fer sure, it’s crapola, as rationalwiki proves, by saying the following:

    “The claims about the D.C. street layout are easily refuted just by
    looking at an actual map of the city. Conspiracy literature will show
    Rhode Island Ave., Vermont Ave., Massachusetts Ave., Connecticut Ave.,
    and K Street making up five lines of a pentagram. A look at the actual
    street map[8] shows that Vermont and Connecticut Avenues do not extend south of K
    street so there is no point below that, and ergo, no bottom point of any
    pentagram pointing at the White House. Further, Rhode Island Ave. does
    not extend west of Connecticut Ave. so not only does this alleged
    “pentagram” not have five points, it doesn’t even have four. It is
    purely the product of someone’s overactive imagination.

    As to whether Masonic symbols such as the square and compass can be found in the street layout, this would seem to be conceivably possible given that many of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons. In actuality, the city’s street layout was designed by Pierre Charles L’Enfant, a French-born architect appointed by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson to design the city. L’Enfant’s design somewhat resembled that of Karlsruhe, Germany. But even if Freemasonry was an influence on the street layout, so what? Most street intersections everywhere resemble a Christian cross – is this evidence of a Christian conspiracy to control the world?”

    BTW, L’Enfant was invited to join the Freemasons and did attend for a while but dropped out before he’d even completed the first phase. The DC plan was finished up by Andrew Ellicott, a Quaker with no history of Freemason involvement.

    So, yes, facts are facts, but then you don’t have so many of them.

  217. Catroast DuJour | 11/04/2014 at 7:02 AM |

    There are no “mandatory” prayers in Christianity – maybe Catholicism has some, but Christians don’t. And your argument is totally whacked. The state has been cracking down on Christians for decades, kicking Christian students out of school for praying at lunch or before a test or whenever, but when it comes to Islam, all the bowing and scraping starts. Muslims are allowed to do whatever they want, wherever they want and we’re all supposed to accommodate them. I bet you also never had to write an essay on Christianity, because our Leftist mongrel teachers hate Christians and love everything Eastern/Middle-Eastern. If you are not able to see this, you need to get your eyes checked. It’s a one-sided, twisted, biased, judgmental, idiotic school system we have here.

  218. Purple-Stater | 11/04/2014 at 2:06 AM |

    “the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”

    – The Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified unanimously by the Senate, submitted & signed by President John Adams.

  219. Facts = truth. Truth = facts. “Truthiness is truthiness?” If something is truth, its fact. If something is not truth, its not fact. My guess is : you’re kinda full of crapola.

  220. Ballistic45 | 11/03/2014 at 9:48 PM |

    Wrong – Atheist care very much about religion and litigate continually against freedom of religion, sighting “Separation of Church and State” which is not found in any of our Founding Documents but only in a frigging letter by Jefferson… The actual part of our founding documents on Government and Religion is surprisingly small held in the first Amendment, and only the first part of the 1st Amendment deals with Government and Religion; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” It forbids “CONGRESS” from enacting laws favoring any religion and of course with laws comes consequences… So in effect, “Congress” cannot establish a “STATE” religion.. Also, and this is important !!! “OR prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” Atheist ignore this part like the plague… There is NO stipulations at all, just that Government is denied the power to regulate or control religious practices. So, Prayer in schools is legal as long as all faiths can pray or those who have no religion can remain uninvolved… School games can be started with a prayer with the same stipulations… But you are smart enough to get where I’m going with this… Atheist have beat the “Separation of Church and State” hoping no one will actually read our founding documents and accept this crap as fact…..

  221. JohnL1313 | 11/03/2014 at 7:35 PM |

    Better do more research GW was a firm believer in God and a Christian. It is possible that no other founder referred to God more than did GW and in fact, he was a proponent of actively converting the Indians to Christianity.

    They didn’t want religion to be co-opted by the government. There is a difference.

  222. JohnL1313 | 11/03/2014 at 7:33 PM |

    Yes, exactly my point! As a cautionary tale, Indians would kidnap a colonist from his village, split him in half length-wise and stake him to a raft and sail it past the colony outpost. In other cases, they would take the kidnapped colonist, stake him to the ground within eye and earshot of the village and torture him for days. Not to mention what Indian tribes were doing to each other as they continually fought for land and territory supremacy among Indian tribes.

  223. JohnL1313 | 11/03/2014 at 7:30 PM |

    …and who did they take the land from…? World history from its inception is the story of civilizations giving way to the next civilization that is stronger, more adept, and more cultured. Basically…evolution. The colonists didn’t arrive in America with this in mind and the reason they had to build villages with walls was to defend themselves against the brutality of the Indians.

  224. nothing like the hypocrisy, stupidity, ignorance, and deceitfulness of a Liberal. Scanning down and seeing the post about this country being a Christian country, then NO NO it’s a secular country, NO NO it’s this and that, for those not from this country and them reading about the fact that MOST KKK in the south were usually good old Southern Baptist people who could and did burn a cross and even string up a black person on Saturday night and then were heard signing “Jesus Loves You This I Know” on Sunday a.m. Of course those were groups of people who through intimidation, provocation, strong encouragement AND fear rushed down to the altar to join the church and escape Hell Fire, as opposed to accepting Christ for his sacrifice for them. Lotta those still around, I’ll becha most of the 42,000 that warm a bench each Sunday to hear Joel Osteen are like that, nothing but bench warmers and those represent just a fraction of others throughout America.

  225. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/03/2014 at 3:41 PM |

    Sure, facts are facts, but truthiness is also truthiness, and this falls in the latter category.

  226. margova | 11/03/2014 at 3:33 PM |

    Facts are facts. I don’t write them.. just convey them.

  227. Kimberly Stuenew | 11/03/2014 at 2:57 PM |

    You know I am not even a religious person yet I can see the wrong here. I do not care if religion is in government it is what our country was founded on. I think people nit pick too much. I do not agree that Muslim religion should be brought into government if Christianity is banned from government. It’s a double standard then again what do we expect? We have a Muslim president did we not expect for this to happen? The president did state that America was no longer just a Christian nation. And not to long ago on the fourth of July people were told to take their American flags down due to insulting or intimidating Muslims. In a free country American’s can no longer show their patriotism.

  228. Who is allah whats his name

  229. Ted John Noga | 11/03/2014 at 1:49 PM |

    I meant school and throwing out past catholic whatever is only to bash catholics. The bigotry is against muslims and it’s here.

  230. In fact Mr. Nogot sounds like an atheist and ignorant of what’s happening in our country.

  231. Of course know it all’s don’t read or understand what others say because, well they know it all!.

  232. Gee, I didn’t read any bigotry here.

  233. She never said anything against Catholics. She was speaking in the past tense. Read it again., and maybe rewrite your reply so it makes sense. Like what do you mean by”government sanctioned prayer in church”?

  234. Well said! And it is also why it’s so outrageous for people and especially the government, to tell us what we can say, sing, put on our properly and gives us the right to object to schools teaching religion in the school or athletes and other groups praying before a game, etc.

  235. What I meant

  236. But who were the savages? The ones who murdered, took over land, burned down villages? You get my point….I hope

  237. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/03/2014 at 1:07 PM |

    Yeah, I know. You and Dan Brown need to collaborate on a novel.

  238. The USA was founded in Freemasonry. Washington DC was built by Freemasons.. complete w Freemason specs, in a Freemason design.

  239. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/03/2014 at 10:33 AM |

    The phrase “one nation under God” was not added to the public discourse about the US until the 1950s when the Red Scare became such a looming factor in the national consciousness.

    Playing fast and loose with language just causes problems. Currently the majority of the population identifies as Christian but that doesn’t make the governance of the US Christian. The government, according to the Constitution, should be indifferent to any particular religion. Also clearly many concepts that came from Freemasonry are incorporated in the Constitution and a majority of the members of the Constitutional Convention were Freemasons, but that doesn’t mean the country was “FOUNDED” in Freemasonry. The government we have is an amalgam of many ideas and beliefs current at the time of the Enlightenment in western Europe that propelled the founders to seek a new form of governance for themselves.

  240. “One nation under God”… the USA was not founded in Christianity but, it IS a Christian country. It was actually FOUNDED in Freemasonry.

  241. No YOU are misinformed–read The Writings of George Washington written in the 1830s. His friends and family alike never disputed the fact that he was deeply religious. You are just wrong —

  242. It’s funny reading these comments, Especially the ones saying “You must be Athiests” If every one on here were Athiests, There would be no arguing about anything. Athiests don’t care about religion and won’t waste time with it LOL .. Thanks for the laugh 🙂

  243. shawn young | 11/02/2014 at 11:12 PM |

    “A brief twelve months ago, the people of this settlement disembarked upon these shores in humble, albeit courageous spirit of determination to establish in this land a colony where truth might prevail and God might be worshipped in sincerity and piety. Our voyage had been successful and our arrival momentous, wherewith we at once offered thanks to an all-wise Providence. In faith and in good works we have come to the completion of a year upon this once unfamiliar soil. As we have prayed, so have we received. Our lives have been spared. Our people have prospered. The native Indian, we welcome as our guest and friend. The harvest has brought fourth in abundance and we are at peace in body and in soul. Wherefore, I, James Bradford, Governor of this group of people, do announce this season of prayer and thanksgiving to Almighty God. For the once, ye people will forsake your implements of honorable toil and will assemble in feasting and dutiful worship.” This was the first thanksgiving in the New World. (1621)

  244. Anonymous | 11/02/2014 at 9:30 PM |

    Why can’t people realize that at the end of the day, one, christians and muslims technically praise the same god, and two, the country wasn’t started based on any particular religion. Obviously it’s going to seem very christian, but all of Europe was and had been Christian for centuries at that point. I don’t care what my kids will want to believe in, as long as they are good people and treat others kindly and with respect.

  245. Rich Bridges | 11/02/2014 at 8:25 PM |

    CowsomeLoneboy, you seem to want to disagree with EVERYONE else’s opinions! Who died and made you GOD you idiot? Go away and stop wasting our time, moron!!

  246. Seth E Newman | 11/02/2014 at 8:03 PM |

    The religious control they were escaping was being forced into the Church of England the only religion allowed in England at the time. Many English people fled to escape from the religious persecution they faced from the state and king. That’s why they have the separation of church and state to protect the citizens from the government from forcing a single religion not to keep children from praying in school or the 10 commandments from being in b a courthouse.

  247. GEORGE WASHINGTON—said—”I cannot tell a lie” sure doesn’t sound secular to me…America -Canada was founded upon God and the Holy principles of the Bible–but ******Satans’ crew came as well to keep the evil going….and thus –still at work–but Jesus said—Peter–”YOU ARE MY ROCK…….and upon YOU ” I will build by CHURCH—–and event he ”gates of hell” will not prevail…right up to this VERY DAY AND HOUR AND MINUTE……

  248. America is a christian nation,it is not islamic Demonic nation,we are a christian country our founding fathers are christian,thats why islam hatets us Americans because we are a christian nation..

  249. Christianity is the only “religion” being attacked. We are loosing our freedoms. But this goes to show the wool over this world’s eyes as demons even fear the name of Jesus. Not a coincidence! Jesus is our King and satan wants to turn people away from truth!

  250. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/02/2014 at 7:11 AM |

    OK. You’ve made your positions painfully (at times, literally) clear. Thanks for a, for the most part, civil conversation. I don’t think we’re going to progress if we continue. May peace be with you.

  251. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/02/2014 at 7:06 AM |

    Yes, the nation was founded by “some great Christian men.” And also by some great non-Christian men, such as Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. Think about that. In today’s political atmosphere if such men wished to take part in the discourse and debate about something so profound as the establishment and governance of a new nation, they would most likely be ridiculed and driven away from the arena, especially by people such as the majority of commenters here who insist that this is a “Christian nation.” But not only were these men accepted, they were looked to as leaders. Do you think maybe the founders were more mature in their attitudes toward diversity of views than the level of maturity that exists today in the US precisely because they had witnessed so closely the ravages of religious and sectarian fighting? Could that explain the absence in the Constitution of language specifying a religious foundation to the government?

    As far as your explanation of the phases “Laws of Nature” and Nature’s God,” the clarity that you insist upon is only so if you don’t care to understand the truth of those phrases. They are notions from the Enlightenment and reflect not the “GOD” that you imply in your well-duh explanation, but rather include notions of a creator from pagan thinkers as well as from some Christian thinkers who were questioning the Christian orthodoxy in the fervor of questioning everything that was part of the Enlightenment.

    I’m not suggesting that you’re a fool, as you are of me, but I don’t think you want to make such definitive statements unless you’re sure you have all the facts. I don’t believe you do.

  252. Erik Vandermark | 11/02/2014 at 6:52 AM |

    So, straight from the school itself:

    The particular unit in question at La
    Plata High School is on the formation of Middle Eastern empires in which
    students learned the basic concepts of the Islamic faith and how it,
    along with politics, culture, economics and geography, contributed to
    the development of the Middle East. Other religions are introduced when
    they influence or impact a particular historical era or geographic
    region. For example, when reviewing the Renaissance and Reformation,
    students study the concepts and role of Christianity. When learning
    about the development of China and India, students examine Hinduism and

    So God and Jesus are welcome in that school, I guess this renders your entire blog post moot. Might as well take it down.

  253. Dewey Campbell | 11/02/2014 at 3:08 AM |

    and you are totally Ignorant of the fact that Islam wants to “shove their religion”down peoples throats,and kill those who don’t believe (Infidels)And really? do you want your children to grow up learning the ways of a Pedophile who FUCKED a little 9 year old girl?.They don’t preach love,only hate,they are nothing but terrorists that hide behind a “so called” religion.

  254. Chris Totty | 11/02/2014 at 2:47 AM |

    Just so everyone is clear on this.
    straight from the declaration:
    “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

    “-the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them-”

    “-Law of Nature and of Nature’s God-”

    Nature (mankind, earth, all of the obvious stuff that is Nature). Nature’s God (GOD…. I don’t know how much CLEARER that can possibly get…).

    Whether or not this nation is Christian, it definitely is not now. but it was definitely founded by great Christian men.

    I have these documents saved, almost memorized. Some of you are just making fools out of yourselves..

  255. Norman Evans | 11/02/2014 at 2:44 AM |

    oh i for got they were here before us we took the land from them

  256. Norman Evans | 11/02/2014 at 2:43 AM |

    john were they savages or was the white man we killed women and children to

  257. Norman Evans | 11/02/2014 at 2:42 AM |

    thats good michael but islam is not a religion not when a person rapes,murders have sex with animals thats fucked up i love my country to but not my goverment when they are selling out our country

  258. Actually no, not a best friend, studying…

  259. So children shouldn’t study world religions? Christianity, Islam, and all the other religions should be taught in their proper context in the study of world cultures. However, no religious doctrine should be taught as factually true.

  260. Rob Bannister | 11/01/2014 at 11:32 PM |

    Anyone who would respond to another person calling him a “cockbag” is obviously such a crude low life, anything else such a person would say, Mr. Cross, is pure garbage. Your language shows you’re too much of an imbecile to have clear enough judgment to opine on any subject matter much less assume that I would be Muslim, guess again. I am not; nor liberal, I am not. For your information you crude ignorant dumb ass, children do say the “Pledge of Allegiance” in most public schools in America. In many states, it is required by law. Your knowledge of Muslims and pedophilia are likewise below the level of the most common form of stupidity. I seriously doubt you can find one instance of pedophilia committed by a Muslim in a public school anywhere in the United States.
    There’s no point in trying to set the record straight because your short writing sample shows you are ignorant, bigoted, and incapable of intelligent dialog. It’s hard to believe you are even a real person someone as clearly stupid and angry as you are looks more the a left wing caricature of what they stereotype ignorant white people to be.

  261. JohnL1313 | 11/01/2014 at 11:24 PM |

    As a former atheist I’ve already been on your side. Mocking believers, telling them how superior non-believers are because they aren’t “locked into an ideology”. So reading yet another book slamming Christ or God wouldn’t tell me anything that I already know – or, anything that in my past hadn’t already tried using against a Christian. In fact, I dabbled in Islam when one of my favorite basketball players converted to Islam in the early 1990’s. I was like that, I worshipped our culture, our society – false idols if you will.

    Yes, they share the same God. But Jews and Muslims don’t believe Christ is the Son of God. So they aren’t the same are they? Nope. Christ calls for peace and love and to leave the judgement to His Father.

    Islam calls for peace and love…oh, and if there is a non-believer in your midst, you need to kill him.

  262. JohnL1313 | 11/01/2014 at 11:18 PM |

    Yes, and that document proves what I’ve said all along. Or, have you never read the document in full and the Declaration of Independence? If so, you wouldn’t have the gall to post it in the manner you did and then make the claim you did. Or the Federalist Papers or Madison and Jefferson’s writings explaining the Constitution to the state legislatures who needed to approve the Constitution?

    If I build a house I tell the contractor/builder what I want, the ideas for how it should look, what a house should be in my mind. They design a blueprint based on measurements and building materials. Same for the relationship between the Declaration and the Constitution.

    But then again, you’ve yet to show me one sentence, one writing where our founders said there was no relationship; yet I’ve given you quite a few where they do indeed say this along with Abraham Lincoln’s beautiful “Apple of Gold” analogy. So yeah, tell me that Lincoln was wrong.

    The last thing the founders wanted was a religious battle to break out? Hmm…then you’ll need to explain their writings where they justify their actions. Oh, there’s also that pesky First Amendment where they guaranteed the right to practice religion without the government interfering. Yeah, the last thing they wanted was a religious debate. Wow.

    I never said a higher authority was meant to supplant the “law”. In an effort to avoid the uncomfortable truth you keep twisting and obfuscating. The higher law is in the Constitution already. The Constitution is the framework that protects the higher law and the rights of which Nature’s God gives us. That’s why they designed the document in the way they did.

    And back to higher authority…the founders themselves appealed to this higher authority after the King of England ignored their repeated requests – over a decade – where the founders simply asked the King to adhere to English Law. When this was ignored, they appealed to Nature’s God in the Declaration laying the foundation that our rights are blessed to us by God and not by man. They then built the constitution on this precept.

    Spin it all you want, avoid it, pretend it isn’t there, sprinkle some magic fairy dust around if you wish, but our founders said the Constitution was the framework built upon the concepts of the Declaration – and that means our rights are given to us by God and not other men. By appealing to the Constitution, I’m actually appealing to the Laws of Nature’s God. Just as our Founders said – in their own words.

  263. JohnL1313 | 11/01/2014 at 11:03 PM |

    I didn’t mention the Tooth Fair or Santa Claus either. Just didn’t think it was relevant. Animal Farm was relevant in that the pigs kept the majority of the animal farm population uneducated while indoctrinating the dogs, all the while changing the definitions and the mission statement of their revolution in order to keep the other animals in check.

    The current state of the education system is the result of what the primary intent of setting up a government controlled compulsory school system. I gave you a reference point from which to start, John Taylor Gatto. Whether you investigate further into the beginnings of our school system – where the founders of compulsory schooling specifically said the purpose of which is controlling the population-thought – is up to you. I can lead a horse to water, can’t make him drink…

  264. InGodWeTrust | 11/01/2014 at 10:37 PM |

    Who in the hell told you that is how the crusades started, your best friend? The Crusades started because the Muslims kept attacking and killing the Christians for decasdes. Finally, the Christians retaliated after relentless attacks by the Muslims.

  265. Ooooooh! So once the white Europeans got here, THEN it was one nation under God. The brutal slaughter and displacement of tens of thousands of Native Americans at their hands is irrelevant. Ok. Thanks for clearing that up everyone. We are not a Christian country. We are a country that values freedom, including religious freedom. Stop picking and choosing when you want things to apply.

  266. I think the point he is trying to make is that if Christianity can’t be taught in the public school system, then there should be no other religion taught in the public school system. No matter who or what our country was founded on. I believe in Jesus Christ as my savior. Any one can believe anything they wish to believe. But religion should be left up to the parents and their church. Not the schools. If you want religious teaching taught to your children, then send them to private christian or other religious schools. All public school teachers do not practice christianity orpther religious beliefs. And I wouldn’t want anyone that knows nothing of my religion teaching it to my children.

  267. Alex Jarvis | 11/01/2014 at 7:46 PM |

    I can’t believe this is actually an issue we have to talk about. There is a big hole in the logic of the people making decisions at this level that should not exist. It’s too easy for everyone to see and understand, so it makes no sense that it is there.

  268. Damien Cross | 11/01/2014 at 7:17 PM |

    You must either be Muslim, A Liberal or a Democrat who supports terrorists.

    Lowlife scum like you is what is bringing this country down.
    If you think it is Ok to learn about Islam in a school setting, fucking move out of MY country & move to an Arabic one!

    People like you voted for Obama, support letting more Illegals into the country, higher taxes and getting rid of the 2ND Amendment.

    Please, just kill yourself Twat bag

  269. Damien Cross | 11/01/2014 at 7:09 PM |

    Muslim cockmouth little bitch!

  270. Damien Cross | 11/01/2014 at 7:09 PM |

    Hey Cockbag, RELIGION is NOT to be taught in school!
    You have got to be a fucking Muslim cocksucker or a fucking Liberal.

    If no one can say a prayer or the pledge of allegiance in school, then NONE of this Islamic Pedophile Cult shit should be allowed!

  271. We all already knew Christians did though….

  272. Ok, folks everyone calm down for a second. Regardless of how the country was created, I am a Christian & will believe it’s a Christian country, the Constitution states there will be a seperation of Church & State. Fine that means ALL churches & religions! You can’t teach one if you can’t teach them ALL. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

  273. vicki l | 11/01/2014 at 4:16 PM |

    Well said Gina! Esp the GW quotes! I think some of the responders have one of two problems: 1) They did not listen in history classes, or 2) They were taught this ‘new’, rewritten, history where America is not special, not founded and begun on good and moral Christian principles. (Not that all the Founders were perfect; but their reasons were good and Judeo-Christian). Unlike our president stated, we are NOT a Muslim nation with Muslim principles inspiring the Founders!

  274. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/01/2014 at 3:01 PM |

    Oh, you’re wrong, Jude. I learned about the etc. Shows you what you know.

  275. Saltine American | 11/01/2014 at 2:28 PM |

    These school districts and educators won’t be able to afford a lawyer with all the lawsuits they will have to defend. How dare you allow the minority to overthrow the majority. You are true Americans if you allow this. Too bad you had a bad upbringing and are now or have been recruited by these Muzlame terrorists. We’ll see you on the new’s in the courtroom’s.

  276. Deborah Locke | 11/01/2014 at 1:29 PM |

    Religion of any kind shouldn’t be taught in public schools, that is for church or a religion school.

  277. You must have not learned about the Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc. and how our country was founded…on CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES, a strong belief in God. Who’s been changing it all along? Demoncrats in a nutshell. This party is NOT OF THE ONE TRUE GOD. They think nothing of killing babies in the womb, the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman. God made male and female and also in the animal kingdom. It’s man’s screwed up thinking that has caused all the chaos we have among us. God made it so simple. It’s man who made it secular.

  278. Yes,

  279. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/01/2014 at 11:06 AM |

    And anybody who considers himself a patriot and can then write the vile screed you just did is one himself. I thank you for your service. Too bad you didn’t learn a damned thing from it.

  280. Ted John Noga | 11/01/2014 at 11:04 AM |

    Um Maryland forbid catholics to own firearms pre 1770s

  281. Ted John Noga | 11/01/2014 at 11:00 AM |

    I think that’s exactly what i said. Religions are religions your bigotry and their bigotry towards the opposing religion is exactly why the government must stay out of it. Because absolute morons keep pushing for their religion in the government is why one day the dollar will say in Allah we trust.

  282. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/01/2014 at 10:58 AM |

    And in that same vein, sometimes the advice one gives others is best heeded by the giver of that advice himself. You said that my saying that the constitutional republic which is the current nation of the United States of America has a secular government was inconsistent with my statement that that same nation is not a “Christian nation.” Perhaps you’d like to quit digging.

    “So now you are trying to change what you said. Your claim was it was
    founded as a secular country but now you say it wasn’t founded as a
    Christian nation. Can you please make up your mind which argument you
    are making? Its stupid. You said something that was wrong and you got
    called on it. You cannot change your statement midstream and expect to
    not get called on it. I mean its right there in print. People aren’t

    You see, you are the one who is changing things whenever it suits you to try to win an argument. I have consistently stated that the US government is secular. That is in complete agreement with the notion that neither is it a Christian government. You twist this way and that with your definitions of “founding” and what constitutes “Christian” and whose “God” and the like. It’s all irrelevant to whether or not the Constitution, the document that guides the governance of all, no matter what their beliefs, creates a secular government. I’m not going to go over all the arguments with you on this issue because I have done so extensively with JohnL. Read all of that conversation if you’re really interested. Your reply to me fails to show in the slightest how
    “secular government” and “not Christian government” contradict one another, which is what I asked you to prove. You’re no further ahead now than when you wrote all that reproduced above.

    There is no doubt that Christian principles were included in the notions of good governance. Likewise there is no doubt that the majority of the founders considered themselves Christian. Certainly a majority of modern Americans consider themselves to be Christian, but that does not make our government a Christian government. As the society of the United States continues to change all the demographic indications point to Christians becoming a minority, with numbers no greater than for the category of atheists, agnostics, and non-religious people. The Constitution will still work just fine at that point, precisely how the founders intended it, because it is free of all religious direction, save for the First Amendment, which says the government should not be involved in religion and people should be free to follow their conscience in their private lives, and for the article that forbids the administration of any kind of religious test for office holders. In other words, the Constitution intends secular governance.

    I’ve heard the arguments about the mention of “God” in the Declaration of Independence. Again, JohnL and I have had prolonged conversations about that very issue. Leave aside the fact that “Nature’s God” is not the “God” of present-day Christianity, but rather a concept of the Enlightenment that simply professes a belief that some force is responsible for the creation of the universe, the Constitution has a preamble wherein the guiding principles for the nation are recited. If the founders had wanted to invoke a higher authority as a bedrock of governance, that would have been the perfect place for them to have done so. I beg you to show me such a thing there, or anywhere else in the document for that matter.

  283. Rich Bridges | 11/01/2014 at 10:54 AM |

    America, MY couyntry (20+ yr VET) IS Christian and NO ONE can take that away! NOT even OBUMMER! He is a POS!!!!

  284. Rich Bridges | 11/01/2014 at 10:51 AM |

    Hey, EVERYONE SHUT UP and stop arguing RELIGION! Geez! SMH!!!! Opinion are like A**holes, you know the rest!! Let it go!! America IS a CHRISTIAN nation and always will be! Don’t like it, get the hell up!!!

  285. Daune Brown | 11/01/2014 at 10:41 AM |


  286. Daune Brown | 11/01/2014 at 10:36 AM |


  287. Jonathan | 11/01/2014 at 9:50 AM |

    Its written into the declaration of independance. The very paper which was written to break away from England and form a new country specifically grants them the right to do so based upon the authority of God. Now you want to claim “Natures God” but the thing is being secular means you are not guided by God in any way shape or form. It doesn’t say “Nature’s God” or “Christian God”. Secular is no God at all. So the original statement that our country is secular is just wrong. It completely and unequivocally incorrect. Its incorrect if you choose to accept it or not. Its a fundamental axiom of truth. Is it a Christian nation? Yes. A majority of our population identifies with the ideas of Christianity. Is our government “Christian”? No. Its a republic. Its not a theocracy. But by not being a theocracy does not make it secular. That line of logic is faulty and an argumentative fallacy. Sometimes when you find yourself in a deep dark hole, the best advice is to put down the shovel and stop digging.

  288. Imma Commenter | 11/01/2014 at 9:34 AM |

    Most of the founding fathers, including Washington, were Deists. A Deist is someone who believes in a creator but believes that the creator does not concern him/her self with the daily lives of people & does not communicate with people. When the founding fathers spoke of a god the were referring to a god of nature, not a biblical god. John Adams was religious. The others? Not so much.

    Nowhere does the Constitution say: “The United States is a Christian Nation”, or anything even close to that. In fact, the words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God” are never mentioned in the Constitution– not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation’s Constitution, they specified that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day– giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had.

  289. Jonathan | 11/01/2014 at 9:28 AM |

    Maybe we should learn about the invisible flying spaghetti monster too who flies up in the clouds invisible with Mohammed. I mean we need to learn these equally relevant things as well. I hear Voodoo has a history as well as a tradition of people who used to try and see the future in piles of entrails and poop. I find all these things should be learned due to their equal value to humanity.

  290. Imma Commenter | 11/01/2014 at 9:26 AM |

    What a distorted, lying piece of shit article. This assignment was for a WORLD HISTORY class and was following the curriculum for the entire state of MD. When the students study a specific region of the world they also learn how that region’s religious beliefs impacted the economy, culture, etc. When they study the US they study christianity’s impact. When they study other regions and empires they study the impact religion had. It’s not a philosophical discussion on any specific religion. It’s a discussion on how those religious beliefs shaped the history of the region. Period.

    If you people wanna be pissed off about something you should be pissed off about how this website intentionally distorts the truth in order to dupe you into believing things that aren’t true. Educate yourselves…quit being lambs led to the slaughter by a dishonest website with an agenda

  291. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/01/2014 at 9:16 AM |

    Not all people are stupid, but some people are, Jonathan. If you can explain how saying the government of the US was established as secular is inconsistent with saying that this nation is not a Christian nation then I will agree that I contradicted myself. I’ll wait patiently for that explanation.

  292. Jonathan | 11/01/2014 at 9:10 AM |

    Washington did not hate the church. He hated the politics of the church of England which had little to nothing to do with religion at all.

  293. Jonathan | 11/01/2014 at 9:07 AM |

    So now you are trying to change what you said. Your claim was it was founded as a secular country but now you say it wasn’t founded as a Christian nation. Can you please make up your mind which argument you are making?

  294. Jonathan | 11/01/2014 at 9:05 AM |

    Its not secular. Country was founded on principles based on rights given to it by God. You are incorrect.

  295. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/01/2014 at 7:26 AM |

    “The sad thing is that you believe that people such as myself somehow believe we are morally superior.”

    The sad thing is that you’re blind to the inherent belief in superiority in all your proclamations about Christianity. It’s not even a bit disguised when you talk about Islam: “All God’s aren’t the same. There is one God and one Savior – Christ. All other God’s are false, such as Muhammad.” And yet religious scholars would point out to you that Islam’s god and the god of the Jews and the Christians is the same.

    You’ve recommended a lot of reading to me; now it’s my turn. Read Christianity without God, by Daniel C. Maguire. In a concise, scholarly, but witty manner he shows why your adamant demand that your version of god and your version of the Christ be acknowledged as the one true religion makes no sense, either historically or theologically.

  296. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/01/2014 at 7:01 AM |

    Elijah, obviously you have not read any of the comments in the dialogs I’ve had with other people here, especially JohnL. I’m not going to rehash everything just for you. If you’re truly interested in an answer, read the other comments here.

  297. CowsomeLoneboy | 11/01/2014 at 6:58 AM |

    Facts precede argument. Gather your facts first, please. The father is enjoined from entering the school premises because he verbally attacked an administrator and threatened to cause chaos at the school. If the school hadn’t got the court order and that father subsequently went in and shot the place up, everybody would be screaming about the incompetence of the school in handling threats.

    There is not now, nor has the ever been, a Constitutional prohibition on teaching about the history of religions, especially about how they have shaped civilization. That is not favoring or promoting any religion; it is simply factual information. So, no, the father was not at all right.

  298. muchiboy | 11/01/2014 at 6:44 AM |

    ” If The teaching of God is not allowed in our schools, then there is no way you should ever allow the teaching of Satan.”

    You completely lost me here,comparing another religion,i.e.Islam, to Satan.I am Catholic,my values are Christian.I also value tolerance.Your true colors ,I guess.

  299. A secular country should not favor ANY religion. So the marine father is in the right when he complained, is he not? And the school is wrong for banning him.

  300. It is funny that some people are arguing. A Christian father complained that her daughter is assigned to write an essay about Islam by the school that allegedly ban teachings about Christianity. Why is he being banned from school? Can no one see that The school funded by taxpayers’ money is favoring teaching of one religion over the other. The problem is that if Christianity is going to be banned from school why is it the only one? Shouldn’t all religion INCLUDING ISLAM also be banned?

  301. Thank You So Much for comment missinglink and the countless others who have replied… This article was written to bring attention to the hypocracy taking place throughout the world and in our school systems. These school administrators have the nerve to tell us they are teaching world history when teaching Islam in school. All religion has a history to it and if our kids are not allowed to pray or learn about Christianity in school then all religion should be off limits. It doesn’t matter if you are Jewish, Christian, Budist, Atheist, or Muslim. If our kids are not allowed to pray at school or sporting events then they should not be required to write papers on Islam… You can’t have it both ways… God bless each and everyone of you and I love each of you regardless of your beliefs or opinions. I am grateful that you all have shared your opinions and I respect each of those opinions whether we agree or not. I wish I could respond to each of you but I can’t… Whether you believe in God or not I am certain He believes in you… With that I find hope for all of us and hope for Mankind… Semper Fi, Shep

  302. CowsomeLoneboy, if they weren’t believers in the Bible, please explain why they reference our Creator in the Declaration of Independence. While you’re at it, why are our laws (obviously) based on the Ten Commandments (which are present in alot of courts). As secular as this nation is it was obviously founded on Christian Principles. Not Islamic If you can’t see that….well then you need to open your eyes a bit wider. Maybe crack open a book.

  303. Missinlink | 11/01/2014 at 1:54 AM |

    I have to say I’m an Australian I am not a religious person however I believe in freedom for all and you have hit it on the button Shep Michael Shepard. Good on ya mate

  304. Rob Bannister | 11/01/2014 at 1:04 AM |

    They are being taught about Islam because the Muslim religion is practiced in a wide variety of forms around the world particularly in South Asia, Northern Africa, parts of Eastern Europe, and in Indonesia and Malaysia. Just as one learning about Jews and Christians would study the ten commandments as part of the foundations of those faiths, the five pillars of Islam play a similar role. These children are not being indoctrinated to be Muslims only to understand what their basic beliefs are and if some Christians are so thin skinned they can’t even be open to at least knowing how other faiths think, then their religion and faith must be pretty damned flimsy. If their faith is so easily threatened just by considering for the sake of knowledge, what another religion thinks, then their religion must be a bunch of hard to embrace nonsense.

  305. Rob Bannister | 11/01/2014 at 12:59 AM |

    You are totally ignorant of what Islam is all about. Most Muslims are anything but terrorists and no population has suffered more deaths and hardship from the Jihadists than other Muslims who don’t accept radicalism.

  306. Rob Bannister | 11/01/2014 at 12:57 AM |

    What right do you have to stuff your prayers down the throats of those children who don’t believe in your version of Christianity? It’s that kind of thinking that made the 1st amendment so important. No one can enjoy religious freedom if the state is used as tool by a vocal segment of society or a nominal majority to impose their religious precepts on the rest of the population. Mandated prayers have NO PLACE in public schools which belong to people of all faiths.

  307. Rob Bannister | 11/01/2014 at 12:51 AM |

    They hated the tyranny of a state imposed religion but came to America to be free to worship as their individual faiths demanded from the Catholics who founded Maryland, the Quakers in Pennsylvania, and the Puritans in New England who were persecuted in England. English citizens were obliged to conform to the Anglican faith.

  308. Rob Bannister | 11/01/2014 at 12:49 AM |

    Fundamentalist Christians would freak out if they read the Jefferson Bible. Jefferson saw the literal understanding of the Bible severely lacking and attempted to clarify some aspects of the Bible in more modern thinking. The notion that the founders were a bunch of fundamentalist Christians is pure garbage. They were a group of highly intelligent men of a wide variety of personal philosophies. Many of them were steeped in the 18th Century, Age of Reason, philosophies as they talk of “nature’s God” and various expressions of attempting to define God in the context of the laws of nature. Within this context, these men were very serious about their convictions.

  309. Rob Bannister | 11/01/2014 at 12:42 AM |

    What is learning about Islam so horrible? Given it’s one of the most widely practiced religions in the world and kids do learn about other countries and their cultures, learning their religions is part of it. These kids are not being taught to practice Islam simply what its beliefs are, and contrary to what a lot of bigoted narrow minded shallow people think, the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with Jihad terrorism. The five pillars are as important to understanding Islam as the Ten commandments are to Jews and Christians. Unfortunately, just as their are radical Muslims, their are also radical Christians, the ones who think the United States is a Christian nation and that they should have some supremacy in our country over other religions and beliefs. Thankfully these radical Christianists are going around killing people or blowing themselves up, but they have no qualms about persecuting homosexuals and Muslims. Schools certainly should be able to teach religion to the extent they present the history of those religions, who the key historical figures are in that religion, great events in that religion’s history, and what are some of inaccuracies and myths various religions might embrace at least by their most ardent practitioners. No rational educated person would believe for instance, the world was created in six calendar days or that the story of Noah is literally true. Still, there are some misfortunately pioused people who think, for instance, Biblical mythology should be imposed upon science curriculum. It’s that kind of austere rigidity that makes it difficult for ANYTHING concerning Christianity to be taught in school. Where most Christians have adapted to discoveries of the modern world, and the pope addressed that very intelligently this week, radical fundamentalists create such an uproar, they render any religious instruction on a serious objective basis impossible. This Marine should be ashamed of himself for being so shallow.

  310. Draco2023 | 10/31/2014 at 11:27 PM |

    You must be an Atheist. I did not realise you guys started writing your own version of history.

  311. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 10:43 PM |

    There you go. Attached is the document that proves exactly what I have said.

    Since you continue (yes, you have senselessly repeated the same things countless times) to fail to show how the law rests on the higher authority, there is nothing more to be said. Your specious argument that there is no need to invoke this higher authority because it is assumed in every decision is a nifty sleight of hand that really is no better than a magician’s illusion.

    What you aver is tantamount to accepting a religious foundation for the government. The question would be then, whose supreme being will be recognized as “THE” higher authority? That becomes a religious debate and the last thing the founders wanted was a religious battle to break out in the new republic. So you can argue until you’re blue in the face and it won’t change the fact that no “higher authority” was meant to supplant the rule of law.

  312. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 10:21 PM |

    I rail on Islam too, but when there is so much ignorance and intolerance shown I don’t let that pass either. If you want to call me an apologist for that, so be it. You have shown a knack for being wrong so why should this be any different?

    Of course you didn’t mention Soylent Green, you just talked about the dystopian novels 1984 and Animal Farm. I guess some hyperbole is better than others. There’s that relativism again.

    I don’t disagree with all aspects of your criticisms of the educational system, and I’m sure your source makes some valid points, but reducing the current state of primary and secondary education in the US to nothing more than a scheme of turning out automatons is just too pat to stand up to rational scrutiny.

  313. Nothing you said had any relevance to what I was saying at all, lol. I was talking about the Church of England and the Roman Catholics being corrupt organizations used by Government to control people. The actual texts of Christianity don’t even support the system which they governed by. The Roman Catholics hid the bible from the people because only the priests knew Latin which is what their bible was written in based on the Alexandrian manuscripts. Since nobody knew how to read it, the priests could tell the people anything they wanted was written in the bibles. This type of corruption is what led to stupid wars like the Crusades.

    Again, I was addressing government corrupting religion, NOT religion corrupting government…

  314. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 9:57 PM |

    How many hundreds of millions were killed in the 20th century based upon the premise that human life is nothing sacred?

    Yes, I adhere to moral objectivity rooted in God and Jesus Christ, His son who died on the cross for mankind. You believe in moral relativity and the idea that there is no fixed rule of law of the universe. That mankind, life, is just an accident and thus, can be tinkered with by other men, more “enlightened” and “expert” men. See the 20th century again.

    No, I have no problem with Jewish people. My father in-law is Jewish. And a socialist and an atheist. We get along fine. I don’t have problems with Muslim people either, or Indians, or Hindu, or environmentalists. I disagree with their principle belief system but that is for them to work out with God and not really my business unless asked.

    The sad thing is that you believe that people such as myself somehow believe we are morally superior. Some do, some don’t. Every person is fallen, including Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Humanists, Atheists, Environmentalists, etc.

    So again, I point to the objective truth of the God and His son where I’m called to love my neighbor as I would myself regardless of our fallen state of being. A God that so loves us He sent His only son to die for our sins because in our fallen state we aren’t good enough. We keep killing and raping and stealing and fornicating no matter how hard we try, no matter how many times we are warned – like a child who is spanked by his father.

    A God who places human life, His creation, as the most sacred and precious of all things to be honored and respected.

  315. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 9:45 PM |

    Did you attach some original source documents to prove your point? I must have missed them…I’m sure you meant to, right? You surely wouldn’t merely rely on what other people say about what they read.

    I’ve shown it to you…what, four times? Five times? You are most definitely someone who has never researched the subject himself, but merely read what others SAID about it.

    I showed you where our founders rooted our rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence and I’ve shown you in their own words where they say the Constitution is the framework of the ideas laid out in the Declaration. In fact, it only takes about an hour to closely study both documents and see the direct relation between the two, especially where the grievances in the Declaration are specifically addressed in the Constitution.

    You are free to read a modern day opinion that is contrary to this and you are free to your own opinion, but you aren’t free to your own set of facts.

    The Constitution is merely the document framing how the federal government will interact with the states and where certain governmental jurisdictions begin and end. And all of it, according to our founders, is based upon the basic principles of freedom they laid out in the Declaration of Independence. Government’s primary purpose, according the founders in their own words, is to protect the rights of the individual. Well gee, what document bares the rights of the individual that the Constitution is meant to protect? The Declaration of Independence.

    There would be absolutely no reason for anyone to invoke God in the manner you suggested because invoking the Constitutional “right” in itself is an invocation of God because it’s framework is based upon the ideals in the Declaration which again, are rooted in the The Laws of Nature and God’s Law.

    You can argue this until you are blue in the face but all of the original source documents and writings support my assertion 100%.

  316. mace6887 | 10/31/2014 at 9:38 PM |

    Did you know the Ivy League schools were Christian school out to do research on God and His creation? Have you seen what has happened to the quality of their education and their organization after they removed God, and the principals?

  317. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 9:32 PM |

    You are most certainly an apologist for Islam. You rail on every religion except Islam and you defend no religion, except Islam. I never said all work resembled a Soylent Green factory. Quite the contrary. I only stated that the purpose of school is to prepare children for a life of corporate or factory work. This is why a school day resembles an typical “office day” or a day on the factory floor. Get a job, get a paycheck, buy the latest gadget that society absolutely says one must own in order to be part of the group. Pay some taxes. Then, someone will take your place when you are too old.

    School doesn’t prepare children for a life of being independent, it prepares them for a life of dependence. To be homogenized – fit in with the group. Don’t challenge authority. Again, there is a reason why Hitler outlawed homeschooling (Germany still doesn’t allow it) – can’t have tens of millions of people thinking independently, that would be too hard for the government to control.

    Do some easy research on the history of our compulsory system, everything I’m saying is true. John Taylor Gatto is a good resource to start with.

  318. Nadine Faber | 10/31/2014 at 8:45 PM |

    One of these presidents stated that “when God is taken out of government, that is when we wills see the moral decline of American.” The words are pretty close to what I read and he was right, look around at the media, the schools, the streets, the institutions….. People don’t feel like they have any hope, a bright future…. with God and when they broke from their motherland, keeping their money here and freely being able to worship as they choose this is what they fought for. Many did not believe in God and yet, they all worked together to make America a place everyone wanted to come to. Now obama is trying to take away all those rights and freedoms millions have given their blood and life for with restricting our rights to speak out freely about one’s faith since it might hurt or offend one of his radical Muslim friends or people and Americans, well they are just second-class citizens and they need to just get over it. I dislike this attitude and his claim he can do whatever the hell he wants. obama is trying to destroy a really important aspect of a military’s personal beliefs and outlawing God in all Christian forms (Catholic, Jews, Protestants….) and punish them for practicing their faith or making it illegal. Before obama, the military had the right to practice their faith and attend many functions related to that faith without government sticking their noses into their personal affairs.

  319. Alan J Fraize | 10/31/2014 at 8:11 PM |

    The Muslim’s are quietly trying to take over this country and already have one as President. BE AWARE people. You have to fight for your rights before they disappear!!

  320. This pisses me off. This America. One Nation Under GOD. GOD!!! No Muhammad.

  321. RaymondsDad | 10/31/2014 at 7:12 PM |

    a radical Muslim wants to kill all non Muslims. A moderate Muslim wants a radical Muslim to kill all non Muslims.

  322. scragsma | 10/31/2014 at 5:34 PM |

    You clearly haven’t read much of Lincoln’s writings.

  323. scragsma | 10/31/2014 at 5:32 PM |

    Sure. “Nature’s God” is the Creator, who has spoken through His creation and also through His prophets and His Son Jesus and the Church Jesus founded. So now you know.

  324. scragsma | 10/31/2014 at 5:29 PM |

    Wow! What alternative universe are you living in? George Washington guided his whole life by the Bible, and urged others to do the same.

  325. scragsma | 10/31/2014 at 5:28 PM |

    Really? Then how do you account for the fact that our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution (i.e., the documents on which our nationhood and all its law depend) openly reference the Judeo-Christian God as their source of authority?

  326. This kind of “My God can beat up your God” stuff is why there will NEVER be peace in the world. Thanks for f’ing it up for everyone else religious fanatics.

  327. You’re right. It’s NOT a muslim country. It’s a country of MANY religions unlike most countries. Better get used to it. YOUR Lord and Savior is Jesus. Not everyone’s is. Time to grow up and realize that it’s time to get along with others who may believe differently than you. Look at the posts in this topic coming from all different viewpoints. It’s interesting to see so much hatred and ignorance from those who claim to be enlightened by religion and their God. If that’s what it does for you, you can have it.

  328. Because all Muslims are terrorists? Moron.

  329. wow. Psycho much?

  330. BS.
    ALL religions (not just yours) need to be allowed if ANY of them are. School is for learning, it’s not for worship. If you want your kid to learn about the Christian religion, send them to a Christian school. You can believe anything you want. Why does it have to be in PUBLIC, TAX-FUNDED Schools? School is to learn history, reading and writing, math, etc. It’s not a mini-church to indoctrinate kids.

  331. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 4:47 PM |

    And your religious dogma isn’t group think and all knowing? Yeah, right.

    As for

  332. How about we solve this once and for all and QUIT TEACHING RELIGION IN OUR SHOOLS PERIOD? If you want to learn about religion, go learn about it on your own. It’s not the school’s (or state’s) job to educate people about religion. It’s also a personal thing, not a group thing.

  333. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 4:45 PM |

    Enough already. I know without the slightest doubt what a theocracy is. Your understanding in that regard, however, is a little more suspect. All I have asked of you is to give me one instance where the law has been determined on the basis of a higher power. I know Clarence Thomas makes strange musings in that regard but he is not often to be taken seriously anyway. I’m waiting for you to show where your “God” has been invoked as one of the pillars of the United States government in the actual governance of the nation. Yes, the name is invoked all the time for political theater and is even on currency but in the making of law or the interpretation of law where has this higher power determined the outcome of a Supreme Court decision or the enforceability of any law? Until you can show me that, all the other gymnastics you do are, I’m sure, entertaining to you, but irrelevant to this discussion.

  334. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 4:34 PM |

    Moral relativity–the boogeyman of phrases to the morally impaired. You might have noticed that Muslims claim the same thing–there is no god but god. (Gods is the plural, not God’s, BTW.) You are engaging in the worst form of moral relativity–the chauvinism of utter conviction, wherein your morals are superior and thus in relation to all others you alone can claim the right.

    Your dogma about Jesus changing, hocus pocus, everything from the Old Testament isn’t even correct from the straightforward scriptural readings of the books of the New Testament. It’s a nice story you wish to tell yourself and so you do. Oh, and the Jews worship the only true god, too, but they killed your messiah, who happened to be one of them, and so you don’t have any truck with them either. It’s all ludicrous and would be laughable if so many people hadn’t been killed and devastated down through the ages because of such lunacy.

    That is simple. And profoundly tragic.

  335. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 4:25 PM |

    Again, that’s because you think I’m trying to convince you that our founders claimed we are a theocracy. All I’m saying – and proving again and again, is that our central principles are based on God’s laws – Nature’s God. That’s exactly what our founders said. You can’t prove this wrong.

    Religion is a man made precept that may or may not have anything to do with God. It could be humanism for example. Our founders were definitely wary of government sponsored religion because they wanted people to practice their religion freely. Hence, the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

    The Silver Apple within a frame of Gold was Abraham Lincoln’s example. Not mine. Also, I’ve shown you in my sources where our founders in their own personal letters unequivocally say that the Constitution is based upon the principles of the Declaration of Independence. They specifically say that the form of government, the structure, the framework of the Constitution was reliant on the precepts in the Declaration. The constitutional government is designed around the very basic right that man is to be free from rule of other men.

    I’ve given you my sources straight from their own writings. In fact, I’ve discovered a whole lot more by reading the founders original documents rather than reading the interpretation of some poli-sci expert who infuses his own opinion.

    To date, you’ve yet to provide one single sentence or document where our founders say this isn’t true. In fact, I’ve noticed you don’t source much of anything yet like to prattle on about how everyone here is mindless. Go ahead and stay atop your ivory tower turning your nose up at us; the rest of us are working diligently and researching to find the truth rather than simply taking someone else’ word.

    To sum, it is a fact that our Constitution is based on the principles in the Declaration and that our founders said this in their own words; and that the precepts of “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness” of which the Constitution is designed to protect, are endowed to us by our Creator and not by other men. This is the recognition of the supernatural. This is indisputable.

  336. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 4:08 PM |

    No, you are very much an apologist. Not only for Islam but large, centralized bureaucratic government full of “experts” who will “teach” us what we need to know. You say you are railing against all the mindless fools like us on this board, yet you are willing to mindlessly trust whatever a government agent is teaching our children in schools simply because he’s a supposed expert appointed by the all-knowing expert government.

    That’s not a recipe for instilling liberty and freedom into the minds of children, that’s a recipe for totalitarianism and group think. Orwell’s 1984 and Animal Farm rolled into one.

  337. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 4:02 PM |

    Now you are applying moral relativity.

    All God’s aren’t the same. There is one God and one Savior – Christ. All other God’s are false, such as Muhammad.

    There is nothing in Christ’s teachings that instructs his followers to kill people. Nothing. You can’t find it because it doesn’t exist. We’ve gone over this now at least three times. Someone who uses Christ to justify murder is obviously wrong and the blame is on him, not on Christ; again, because Christ doesn’t instruct his followers to do this and in fact He calls us to love our enemies. In this case, we need to love Muslims even though there is a sect of them who are actively going around and beheading Christians and non-believers and burning their churches. Oh, and yes, Christ’s existence and sacrifice absolves us of the rituals of the Old Testament. That’s why God sent him.

    This is different than Islam where Muhammad specifically commands his followers to kill non-believers.

    Again, pretty simple and very straight forward.

  338. Are you all aware that the bill of rights are the first 10 ammendments ie the first changes they made to the Constitution it is not just freedom of religion but freedom from religion as well it is a 2 way thing. The people had to complain to get those changes.

  339. David Whitmore | 10/31/2014 at 3:26 PM |

    I graduated high school in 1971.
    Apparently, things are much much different since then.

  340. Annallia Esaki | 10/31/2014 at 3:05 PM |

    So you are saying that schools have drastically changed their curriculum in the 4 years since I have been gone?

    Good to know.

  341. David Whitmore | 10/31/2014 at 2:22 PM |

    A public High school in PA; graduating in 1971.
    Apparently, a totally different era than you. But one that taught us to respect others, and to allow for differences in educational backgrounds, social status, and age.
    Perhaps my school was the one lacking, perhaps not.

  342. According to Islam, Judaism and Christianity, there is only one god. So the god must be the same for each religion. What differs are the images of God. Also, the three religions do not agree on their prophets. And, finally, to the Muslims Jesus was a human, a prophet with a message. So was Muhammad, but his message was the final one. To the Jews neither of them is a prophet. This needs to be clarified in school. How people pray and to whom – is up to them.

  343. David Whitmore | 10/31/2014 at 2:16 PM |

    Yes; the impacts. But NOT specifics of the religions, as is seemingly being done with Islam in today’s schools.
    Yes, the regions and the sociology of the regions. The ‘what’ not the ‘whys’.

  344. Ted John Noga | 10/31/2014 at 2:04 PM |

    OH THE MORONIC HYPOCRISY!! I want prayer back in school but only the prayer to my god, my lords prayer not yours. Heathens. MORONS, YOU ARE ALL MORONS>

  345. Ted John Noga | 10/31/2014 at 1:59 PM |

    Yeah and that god is a.o.k. unless it is called allah. LOL… Hypocrites.

  346. Ted John Noga | 10/31/2014 at 1:57 PM |

    oh here comes the anti catholic bigotry. Hey they built a free nation partially for religious freedom. NOT TO HAVE RELIGION DICTATED BY THE GOVERNMENT! The same people bitching that they have to learn facts about muslims then complain there is no government sanctioned prayer in church. To them it is a.o.k. to have in god we trust until it get turned into in Allah we trust. You reap what you sow and the original founding fathers knew…DO NOT LET IT INTO OUR GOVERNMENT. You ignored them, now you are reaping what you sowed. Maybe we should, I don’t know, respect the constitution?

  347. Ted John Noga | 10/31/2014 at 1:53 PM |

    Sounds like a moron that doesn’t understand reality. If you take religion in H.S. you may and probably will discuss and read the bible. You can in fact pray all you want in school but the school may not endorse it. It is amazing to me that people live in this country but do not bather to take five minutes to google and learn our laws and SCOTUS rulings.

  348. James Field | 10/31/2014 at 12:53 PM |

    Well I think it is unfair! If religion is to banned from schools then all religions must be banned! You cannot ban Jesus and then let Muhammed in!

  349. Tom Raymond | 10/31/2014 at 12:46 PM |


  350. They were also VERY adamant about separation of religion from Government..

  351. Who said anything about a prayer? School is for teaching,math,social studies,reading,Etc…If you want your child to learn to pray to Jesus,take them to Church or be a Parent..The teachers have enough to do. Your Child’s choice of religion or your choice on what to teach them is YOUR job..I,m sure your no fan of science either. Probably think dinosaurs roamed the Earth 4000 years ago

  352. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 11:45 AM |

    Try actually reading the source material I cited. It states that Arabic Christians were worshiping Allah before there ever was Islam. If you want to argue, that’s fine, but try to inform yourself a little first.

  353. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 11:33 AM |

    No, the thrust of what I said is that despite this one passage that you cite, Muslims are not out in their societies tracking down and murdering non-believers and that has been true for the history of Islam as it has spread throughout the world. No one can doubt the troubling nature of that passage, but for you to gloat with delusions of superiority when Christianity’s history is rife with atrocities and abominations is exactly the way that you try to pin all your argument on rhetoric rather than fact. There are many passages in the Quran that call for justice even to non-believers. There are also passages that state that no Muslim should do harm to any non-believer who is not doing harm to Muslims and Islam. In the bible the Jews listened to the same god that the Christians worship who instructed the Jews to slaughter every last non-believer, man, woman, and child (not to mention all their livestock.) Jesus never said that the belief in such a god should be rejected. In short, believers of every religion have caused misery and discord by claiming that their religion is superior to the others and justifying their actions accordingly. You are no different.

  354. MissyT111 | 10/31/2014 at 11:31 AM |

    Gee, isn’t the ACLU protesting the promotion of religion? Guess they’re all liberal hot air and discriminate against Christians and Jewish people.

  355. Annallia Esaki | 10/31/2014 at 11:06 AM |

    Not sure where/when you went to school but mine taught us several religions in world history. We moved from the impacts of christianity on medieval europe to Islam to Jewish and on and on.

  356. Even if Jesus is welcome – moe moe the pedo and the sexual perverted, murdering thug ‘god’ called allah should still be given the boot unless they want to refer to what moe really was – a pervert, a murdering scumbucket and an all around puke.

    Allowing moslem prayers means they are allowing moslems to spout hate speech against non-moslems.

    Here is the part of their salat that they want to allow to be ‘prayed’:

    …Keep us on the right path. the path of those upon whom thou has bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

    Here they are rewritten to show their veiled hate speech: The ‘right path’ also called the ‘straight path’ is the path of sharia and that outlines very clearly that jihad is to subjugate or kill us.

    The path of those upon whom thou hast bestowed favors – only moslems receive favors from allah. Not (the path) of those upon whom thy wrath is brought down (not the path of the Jews who you have damned), nor the of those who have gone astray (those Christians who have been convinced by Jews to not follow sharia).

    Yeah – their salat is a reflection of what is in their crapran – that is a book that tells us their allah hates us, calls us names and denigrates us then makes holy for moslems to kill or subjugate us, to torture us.

  357. Annallia Esaki | 10/31/2014 at 11:03 AM |

    We don’t know if they do include those or not. When I had world history we covered christianity, islam, shintoism, bhuddism, taoism, and a few that I can’t remember the names of. We didn’t cover them from a religion standpoint but rather the impacts they had on the world.

  358. Annallia Esaki | 10/31/2014 at 11:01 AM |

    No the problem is the right wingers are confusing learning about religions with practicing.

    It is not illegal to teach about religion in schools. It is however illegal to teach religion. There is a difference. This was a world history class teaching about the impact of islam on the middle east and europe in the middle ages. Not teaching them how to muslims.

  359. Annallia Esaki | 10/31/2014 at 10:58 AM |

    Few problems with this article… Lets start with the prayer one. Kids are allowed to pray in school. What you cannot have is an organized prayer sanctioned by the school. If they choose to do it themselves at their own time it is fine. In short. School staff leading prayer = bad. Student sitting at their desk praying of their own will = fine.

    Now on to the homework itself… It was for a world history class talking about shockingly enough the middle east. I don’t know what they taught to you people when you had that class but me? We talked about the impact of Islam on the middle east and europe.

    We also talked about the impact of the catholic church in the middle ages, shintoism in japan, buddhism and so on. We did not learn how to practice these religions, we learned the impact they had on their region of origin and the world as a whole.

  360. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 10:20 AM |

    You have used source material but you also do not cite material from some of the very same authors who in other writings disparage the role of religion and cast doubt on the existence of a deity. Besides, it doesn’t matter what was said in the background of the government. In the end the only thing that matters is what is in the document itself, the Constitution. You could find quotations in 1000 letters that would supposedly “prove” your point, but the letters and other statements of those active in the development of the republic are not binding; only the words within the Constitution itself have the force of law.

    You keep talking about the founding principles of the DOI. You are raising a false flag. There is no question that many of those same people who were instrumental in the overthrow of the rule of King George were also present at the founding of this nation. They by all means were still guided by many of the same philosophies and principles that led them to seek independence from Great Britain and try an experiment in independent governance. I have never argued otherwise and would be foolhardy to do so. You ignore the union under the Articles of Confederation that intervened between the conclusion of the revolution and the founding of the current nation. Are you prepared to say that we must also wrap the Articles of Confederation up in this continuous whole cloth that you insist is the silver apple within the gold frame?

    And most important of all, again I appeal to you to show me IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, and not in non-dispositive contemporaneous writings, many of which take issue with one another, where it says that our government relies on a higher being. I don’t need to cite for you a bunch of sources, or even one, because the document speaks for itself.

  361. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 10:04 AM |

    I have read all your posts. I will not respond to each individually but will write one reply to everything here.

    I have both children and a grandchild. I know that the thing that will keep them safest and most fulfilled in their lives is having the best knowledge available and thus well armed against all the ignorance, bigotry, and plain stupidity that abounds in the world, even here in the good ole USA.

    I understand that this Marine might have a jaundiced view of Islam since he has no doubt had very troubling personal experiences with some who say they are acting in the name of that religion. I can overlook his bullying behavior toward the school officials to a certain degree because of that, but for so many at this site and others to get all up in arms about supposed persecution of this guy is just plain pathetic. The school officials have a duty to look out for the best interests of all the students and staff. If someone talks about mayhem at the school, in today’s environment you can’t just dismiss such talk as the raving of a fool, although seemingly that is all this really amounts to.

    You seem to want to have it both ways. You say that facts and history about Islam should not be taught at school and therefore you know, for the sake of appearing consistent, that you must say Christianity shouldn’t be taught at school either. But like so many others arguing at this site, you say that this nation’s government must be understood as necessarily requiring a religious, and more to the point, a Christian, perspective. How could American students then be taught about their government if they were not taught about the so-called Judeo-Christian tradition if you insist that our government is so composed?

    You do a lot of bold talking about Islam and how it is not right that anything about it be taught in schools, but you betray yourself in these sentences: “! of course he will get angry that his daughter is being spoon fed lies
    that they are peaceful or whatever they are trying to teach them. did
    they tell them about all the terrorist that come from them?? probably
    not. islam has taken over Great Britain and they are attempting the same
    thing here. if you don’t think so then you need to pull your head out
    of your behind.” You DON’T KNOW what is being taught in this school and yet you think you are in a position to correctly assess and roundly denounce any such teaching. That is the very essence of having one’s head up one’s behind.

    I am no apologist for Islam. It, like every other religion, does far more to divide, isolate, and incite people to bad acts than it does to promote the peace, inclusion, and common purpose that would truly serve humanity’s best interests. However, if you are going to demonize all the adherents of one religion because of the abhorrent acts of a small segment who claim to be acting on behalf of that religion, then you must acknowledge all the misery and evil that have been committed in the name of all the other religions of the world, including Christianity, and likewise demonize them. That is not productive, it is not rational, and it is not just.

    I was reared a Christian and although I am no longer one, I know a lot about the faith and also about Jesus. I had a colleague who is a devout Christian and every day at work she wore a handmade bracelet with the inscription WWJD? on it. I can assure you that most of the vengeful, hateful, and ignorant accusations that so many have made at this site, as at so many others, would not be what Jesus would do.

  362. then include CHRISTIANITY!!!!

  363. better watch your back then.

  364. Mustafa | 10/31/2014 at 9:20 AM |

    That intrudes on freedom of religion. You can practice all the religion you want as long as it doesn’t protrude mine. There is nothing wrong with being taught other religions. Unless you’d like to be in a society full of uneducated bigots.

  365. is there censorship going on here on this site?? a few of my comments are gone about what the koran REALLY says. if this is censorship on behalf of islam, tell me and I will delete myself from this site all together.

  366. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 8:59 AM |

    I’ve used original source letters from our founders and those who influenced them to back my argument. You’ve done nothing but give me your own opinion, which is fine, but there are no documents to back you up.

    Unlike you I don’t assign these “constitutional scholars” a higher ground and take their word as gold. In fact, they depend on people like you who will see their name and all of the letters that follow it and immediately bow with out questioning their assertions.

    I’ve done my research and I’ve proven I’m right by using original source documents proving the inviolable linkage between both the Declaration and Constitution – our founders said so. In fact, this has always been the belief and it was only in the past 80 years or so that the Progressives (especially W. Wilson) actively sought to separate us from our founding principles so they could remake government in man’s image.

    Meanwhile, you’ve done nothing but give hersay. No links, no proof. Where are the writings from the founders that say there is no link between the two? You can’t find them because they don’t exist. Yet, i showed several writings from our founders and from leaders soon after who acknowledge the link.

  367. WRONG! I do not worship the muslim god, I worship the one true God and His Son Jesus Christ who is more than a prophet and has nothing to do with islam!! the Holy Spirit dwells in the believer and God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one God in three persons. not your “sun god” or moon god or whatever it is. your prophet muhammed stole from the Jews some of their beliefs and made some people believe he got those revelation from God but he didn’t. do not lump our Lord into the same category as muhammed!

  368. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 8:51 AM |

    Actually, it was my wife the school teacher who convinced me we need to me homeschooling, which we now are. Many of our friends are former school teachers who pulled their kids out of the matrix and homeschool themselves.

    Charter schools generally do not lag behind public schools, that is flat out lie. Secondly, charter schools still don’t act fully independent of the state anyway.

    I’m not concerned about kids learning to “pass tests and get a grade” so comparing us to other countries is basically meaningless. However, when we do compare ourselves, we are much worse now than when we turned it over to a central planning commission in the Department of Education.

    Schooling is just that. It’s training. It’s precept is to force conformity. Do just a little history research on compulsory schooling and you’ll see that it had nothing to do with educating our children and solely to do with producing mindless citizens who will faithfully do their part in society by working dutifully in a factory, pay their taxes and consume more products without questioning authority. When they are used up, the next generation will take their place.

    We became the worlds’ economic superpower before we ever instilled compulsory schooling proving that parents acting freely and without state coercion can raise their children just fine. Moreso, they will raise individuals who can think for themselves and be responsible rather than someone who is trained like a dog to follow a whistle for twelve years.

    Look at it this way, there is no way in the world any adult would go back and subject themselves to twelve years of schooling – going from task to task according to a bell, being told when to eat and when to go home. Divided and classed due solely to age and not by interests or preferences. There is nothing in real life that reflects this.

  369. allah is their god not a Christians God.

  370. if they want to practice their religion then they can go to their own religious private school, see how that works both ways??

  371. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 8:42 AM |

    No, I didn’t. The thrust of what you said was that Christ calls his people to kill and thus, it is moral relativism to excuse Christians and not Muslims.

    However, you have no proof of this because it doesn’t exist. You were proven wrong and now you are trying to obfuscate and dance around it. Christianity holds the absolute moral high ground over Islam.

    Christ calls us to love our neighbors as we would love ourselves and leave the judging to His father
    Islam calls its followers to murder the infidel who doesn’t believe.

    Pretty simple.

  372. Carrie Barton | 10/31/2014 at 8:23 AM |

    I am informed about Muslims. What I am afraid of you thinking you know a lot about nothing. If your Muslim friends are practicing Islam watch your back. The difference between a radical Muslim and a moderate is, the radical will behead you while the moderate stands by and watches.

  373. Mustafa | 10/31/2014 at 8:03 AM |

    Here’s the problem with your argument: In Islam, the 5 daily prayers are mandatory while there are no mandatory prayers aside from mass, easter and Christmas (correct me if I am wrong), which are federal holidays. The state is require to respect religious freedom as long as it does not intrude into yours. I don’t see any issue with this at all. I believe a 13 year old conducting his/her prayers should not be this big of an issue. If you want to have christian values taught, go to private school. This article was clearly blown out proportion. I had multiple essays on Buddhism, Hinduism ect. I was never taught the “values” of either religion. People confuse knowledge with personal beliefs.

  374. Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

    but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.

    Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

    Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

  375. Jesus is NOT a pacifist but he never called Christians to go kill non Christians! all he wanted us to do is to go tell people so that they would be saved and if they don’t want to hear it, shake off the dust. when Jesus first got here he came as a helpless baby but when he comes back it will be as King of kings and Lord of lords and he will be here to make war with the beast and his followers and he will win. so no Jesus is not a pacifist.

  376. I have NEVER heard of a Christian taking these verses and using them to justify killing people, the Lord will deal with them. we shake the dust off and walk away and leave them to the Lord. God is loving but he is also our judge and he will judge everyone! you are really reaching here,LOL

  377. EXACTLY!!!!

  378. that was a long time ago, I agree Christianity was taught THEN! but it’s not now and neither should islam be taught. the Marine doesn’t want his child influenced by islam in any way. I wouldn’t want my grand-kids influenced either. if you have kids you have to know how impressionable they are. yes we have the most time with them to teach them but if you aren’t diligent you can easily lose them.

  379. you have to understand, this Marine has seen what islam has done, the atrocities that religion has caused, IN OUR OWN COUNTRY no less!! of course he will get angry that his daughter is being spoon fed lies that they are peaceful or whatever they are trying to teach them. did they tell them about all the terrorist that come from them?? probably not. islam has taken over Great Britain and they are attempting the same thing here. if you don’t think so then you need to pull your head out of your behind.

  380. the whole point here is if they can’t teach Christianity or allow Christians to have a time of prayer then they should not be teaching islam and giving the muslims time for their prayers.

  381. wrong! this country was founded because they wanted religious freedom NOT because they hated religion. England’s government at that time had a state run church and you had to worship the way the king said too. people didn’t want to be told how to worship so took off to find a place where they could be free to worship the way they saw fit. this is what “separation of church and state” means. the government can NOT have or run the church, they can not tell us how to worship, in other words government has to stay out of church business. George Washington loved and respected the Lord God……….“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

    – George Washington

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”
    – George Washington

    We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions…
    – George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

  382. “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”
    – George Washington

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”
    – George Washington

    We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions…
    – George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

    the founding fathers did NOT intend for us to ignore all mighty God and they didn’t intend for our government to leave Him out of all matters either. this country was founded on Christian values and according the bible we might want to remember God and not ignore Him anymore……..“Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people He has chosen as His own inheritance.” Psalm 33:12 – I for one want His blessing.

  383. true

  384. They were escaping the Church of England, a corrupted denomination by government. They THEMSELVES were Christian. The Roman Catholics and the Church of England were corrupt. We can pretty much repeat everything JohnL1313 said and walk away…

  385. Laureen Acton | 10/31/2014 at 3:56 AM |

    Oh yes because shaking the dust off of your feet is such a violent act.

  386. Mustafa | 10/31/2014 at 3:17 AM |

    I hope you realize that it is secular. There are so many sects of Christianity. I’m sure if you taught Christianity at schools you’d have an out cry about it. Probably greater than if they taught Islam. I’m an agnostic. I personally believe religion is nothing but a means to explain fear and pain.

  387. A lot do. people need to be more open minded about all the other sides making points against and for ever topic

  388. Now how can you say they’re identical? Please elaborate for me. The Christian God loves everyone, the koran Allah never mentions love.. not once. The Christian God has a son who died for the sins of the world, the koran Allah had no son and damns everyone who believes he had a son (Christians) to hell.

  389. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 1:58 AM |

    “Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælÉ™/ or /ˈɑːlÉ™/; Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA: [Ê”alˤˈlˤɑːh] ( listen)) is the Arabic word for God (al ilāh, literally “the God”).[1][2][3] The word has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Alah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.[4][5]
    It is used mainly by Muslims to refer to God in Islam,[6] but it has also been used by Arab Christians since pre-Islamic times.”
    From Wikipedia, for translation of Allah.

    Whether you like it or not, that is exactly what is said and what is meant. The Bible has similar expressions.

  390. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 1:47 AM |

    Thanks! I generally feel as though I’m hitting my head against the wall, so it’s nice to know someone thinks at least some of my points make sense.

  391. Allah is a name. YHWH is a name too, depending on how you sound it out. If Allah is the word for “god” as you say. The verse, “There is no Allah but Allah,” makes little sense.

  392. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 1:44 AM |

    Of course you overlook the thrust of what I said to hone in on the one little aspect where you feel you can hold the higher ground. That is pretty simple, really, and terribly disingenuous.

  393. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 1:42 AM |

    You get not a nihilistic view from me, but just a reflection of your dogmatic and doctrinaire stances on all these issues. If you don’t like that, consider what I’m reflecting and ask yourself if the image is an attractive one.

    I feel sorry for your wife if she is indeed a teacher. It must be really comforting to have such a great “champion” in her corner. If compulsory schooling is the problem, then why do other first-world nations with compulsory schooling do so much better in having informed and capable graduates of their school systems?

    There are many problems in our schools, many stemming from societal issues and not from instructional or pedagogical failures. I will agree that some reforms of the rigid, time-worn structures of the school day and year are needed. There are many other issues that should be addressed. Turning instruction into a capitalist’s venture has not proven to be the answer, with results in “charter” schools generally lagging those in the public schools. The biggest problem is that the political climate in this country sets it up for failure in so many areas and education is one spectacular example of that, much to the detriment of children and our country’s future.

  394. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 1:31 AM |

    It is not an obscure group. Spend a little time informing yourself. It includes elected officials and people within the military. If you add to these folks all the plain, uninformed populace who make the claim that this is a Christian nation (all you have to do is look through the comments to this piece to see some of them,) it is a significant enough problem that people who value religious freedom need to take notice. Trying to dismiss with your flip remark about communists and witches only shows that you have little idea of what’s truly going on around you.

    We’ve already agreed that many of the concepts in the framing of the Constitution have their roots in some religious beliefs and philosophies. I also readily acknowledge that many of the founders and early political leaders were Christians. Of course it influenced the way they viewed the world and sought to govern. That does not mean that we must invoke higher powers to understand the underpinnings of our government.

    You spend a lot of time going over and over the same plowed ground. You don’t improve your arguments in so doing. You keep claiming you have “proved” what you say about the religious nature of the government and also the inviolate link between the DOI and the Constitution. You, in fact, have given your view of that but you have proven no such thing. There are plenty of Constitutional scholars who have examined this question and who beg to differ with you. It’s a free country and you’re free to believe and assert those things, but in terms of legal bearing, they have no currency.

  395. Hey, I have read a few of your posts from other sites. I really like how you debate issues and point out many facts on topics. Devil advocate I would say. Logical and thought provoking in how you address many of the topics. Some of my views conflict with somethings you say but that’s what makes us individuals. I applaud you and respect what you have said and pointed out. There needs to be more people out there that are less like sheep and follow. It is ok to question and form your own opinions.

  396. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 1:18 AM |

    No, I did no cherry picking.

    You never showed me scripture where Christ calls for his followers to kill other people. You didn’t show it to me because it doesn’t exist. The closest you could find after a quick google search was Mark’s scripture where again, Jesus does not call for his followers to kill people who don’t follow him. He merely tells his followers not to associate with the wicked and thus not be tempted by their ways.

    There are no scripture verses where Christ calls his followers to kill other people. None.

    The Koran or Quran explicitly calls for Muslims to kill non-believers.

    Pretty simple actually.

  397. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 1:10 AM |

    I enjoy how you take a nihilistic view of everything I say that is contrary to your current belief system. I know lots of wonderful teachers, my wife is one in fact. I just don’t take an absolute view that teacher = sainthood.

    We were third in the world in test scores (if test scores have any meaning that is) when the Department of Education was founded by J. Carter in the late 1970’s. Now we are 31st. So, it is obvious that larger, centralized education bureaucracies aren’t the answer. Just like in the real world, competition will inspire innovation and improve education. We don’t have that. We now have Common Core. It was bad enough before Common Core and will only get worse.

    Our compulsory school system wasn’t set up to educate our children, it was set up as a factory to produce citizens who would serve society via their “economic benefit” to corporations and industrialists. Hence the bell schedule. Hence the socialization eliminating individual thought and the tool of humiliation and degradation to keep the child in line. Historical evidence proves this to be true – there is a reason why Hitler outlawed homeschooling and Stalin said, “Give me your kindergartners and I’ll give you a generation of socialists”. Governments know the power of compulsory schooling.

    Teachers aren’t the problem, schooling is the problem. It has been proven that kids can learn to read and write and perform arithmetic with about 100 hours of instruction. We are dehumanizing them by forcing them into the “school system” for twelve unnecessary years and yanking them away from their families during this time. We became the worlds economic super power BEFORE government compulsory schooling.

  398. Of course. We should discuss different religions and different denominations within these religions and their principles. This includes Sunni and Shia Islam, the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, Protestant denominations, Mahayana and Hinayana Buddhism, Orthodox, Conservative and Reformed Judaism. Comparing various religions would be an ideal solutions

  399. Mitochondria. Sorry I typo’d.

  400. Take every single religion out of schools. Stop bickering about which religion is right, and start teaching kids lessons to prep them for a post-high school life. Never once was I taught about taxes, how to balance check books, how loans work, etc. But they made damn sure I knew that the mitocondriac is the power house of a cell. Brilliant teachings US schools.

  401. JohnL1313 | 10/31/2014 at 12:59 AM |

    The “Dominionists”? Who? You are referencing an obscure group in an attempt to apply their line of thinking across all lines. There are also Communists and witches who want to take over the government.

    No, I’m not talking out of both sides of my mouth. You take an absolute view that we are either a theocracy or a secular country while I’m saying that per our founders, we are built on ideals that are first and foremost rooted in the Godly ideal that man is born free into the state of of God’s Nature. Everything else our founders designed had this at it’s root – man is free due to God and can only be ruled by his own consent.

    Yes, the government relies on the rule of law and that rule of law as specified by our founders is rooted in the Law of Nature’s God. This is clear and not debatable. What also isn’t debatable is that the Declaration and the Constitution are related. The Constitution is the framework based upon the ideas of the Declaration. The fact that “Creator” or “Nature’s God” isn’t in The Constitution carries no validity in the argument you are trying to make because the Constitution is merely the framework of the ideals laid out in The Declaration and our founders said so. Everything i Declaration says about how man is to be free and how he is to be governed along with the grievances listed against the King is addressed specifically in the Constitution. Any intellectually honest study of these two documents along with the letters of our founders proves this to be true.

    Hamilton’s “The Farmer Refuted” is rooted in natural law as is Cicero’s “On the Commonwealth”, Locke’s “Second Treatise of Government”, Paine’s, “Common Sense” which was the most widely read argument in the colonies, George Mason’s “Virginia’s Declaration of Rights” preceded Jefferson’s Declaration and Jefferson openly borrowed from Mason. Algernon Sydney’s “Discourses Concerning Government” specifically rooted our rights as being Godly. Madison’s, 1792 “On Property” ties our natural rights to God as does Jefferson’s “Virginia Statutes for Religious Freedoms.” Of course, the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 specifically states that “religion and morality are necessary for good government…”

    Yes, no religious tests were specified in the Constitution because Great Britain had required this and the founders saw how government authority can use this to abuse its citizens.

    So yes, I’ve proven that our founders believed in God and that man’s fundamental right to be free is due to God, the Creator, Nature’s God, etc. This is who they appealed to in the Declaration because the King was ignoring the rules England had set up centuries earlier that were supposed to grant these rights to its citizens.

  402. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 12:22 AM |

    You aren’t reading in context. What I said you took out of context is the citation from the Quran, not anything from Mark. You made a statement indicating that Jesus (well, Christ to you) was a pacifist and wouldn’t abide the killing of others. The actual scripture tells a much different story and not just because of the one passage from Mark I cited. You wish to characterize one religion as violent because that’s the only way you can see it and you justify your opinion by choosing one line in the Quran and ignoring all the pacifist lines there, as well as the empirical evidence of the behavior of the overwhelming majority of the adherents down through time. On the other hand you wish to see Christianity as benevolent and Jesus as a pacifist when there is so much written in the Christians’ holy book which contradicts that characterization. Voila. Cherry picking.

  403. Shawn Ashley MacNeil | 10/31/2014 at 12:13 AM |

    Why then, we should be discussing the different levels of Islam shouldn’t we? like Shi’a, Sunni… Etc Muslims… And their beliefs if we are going to talk about the different “principles” of different branches of Christianity.. Which broken down.. Have the same exact principle… Jesus is the son of God. I can’t say the same for the different branches of Islam.. Because they seem to believe and do different things.

  404. Glenn Bromiley | 10/31/2014 at 12:10 AM |

    better do more research. g.washington hated church. this country was founded by people escaping religious control… you are sorely misinformed.

  405. Shawn Ashley MacNeil | 10/31/2014 at 12:09 AM |

    Yet the problem is that… Schools… And not only schools mind you… Are bending over backwards for Muslim religion… Yet not other religions. That’s the problem.

  406. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/31/2014 at 12:07 AM |

    “Parents have sovereignty over their children, schools do not. Government
    schools get their power by consent from the people. Not the other way
    around.” Precisely. School boards and other ELECTED officials have ultimate responsibility for the curriculum. One parent doesn’t then get to have a second vote on everything. You want this guy to pull his kid out of school? Fine. In this terribly oppressive, state-dominated country that you seemingly find disgusting, he has that right. Surprise! Again contrary to your assertions, the parents DO have the ultimate say.

    Here’s the deal. Since you say teachers don’t know what they’re doing and you know so much better how to do it than they, how about you teach all the nation’s children? And then get all those kids jobs because employers would be so much better off with the kids you’ve taught that they’d all be clamoring for your students and they’d all bless you for saving them from having an unprepared workforce. And here’s the other part of the deal. Because the teachers’ preparation doesn’t make them as well qualified as you, no doubt the same thing can be said about your preparation for your job. Since you’ll be displacing teachers, who will now need new jobs, at least one of them will get to take your current job because you’re a fallible human being and almost anybody could do your job better than you can, without a doubt. See how nicely that all works out? Thanks for getting that ball rolling!

  407. Glenn Bromiley | 10/31/2014 at 12:06 AM |

    first, i don’t believe every parent should be worried at all. though I concur that this article points to a legitimate criticism of hypocritical idealism in a small percentage of public schools, parents who are “worried” are parents who have given the responsibility of parenting away to others. if you are a good parent, you would not be afraid to teach your children about ALL aspects of life from a standpoint of truth and love, not bigotry and fear… a few hours in school does not equal the influence a parent has on their children unless you have given up your job as parent to the system.
    second, if you are in the military and devote your life to the cause of “defending” your country and claim to not care about skin color or religion and lifestyle choices… you are an ignorant tool of the system promoting the very thing you say you are defending against. you are a hired mercenary in service to “satan” and all things evil. if you want to separate yourself under blanket statements and symbols of hypocrisy like a nation’s flag in order to justify your judgmental hatred of people different from you, the same ones you say you protect, you are the ignorant bigot and should shoot yourself in order to protect us from you. the military does not serve the god you say you serve. one nation under god is an appendage to the original pledge anyway. if you serve god, it comes through in demonstration, not incantation. your pledge means nothing if you hold a gun an intend to kill your fellow brothers and sisters. you are the hypocrite.
    third, going back to the issue of schools, they are at the end of a long chain of a system of societal control and are there to babysit and indoctrinate your kids while you “serve” your country… so don’t blame them. they are a cog in the machine. put down your guns and your petty careers, stop chasing money and safety and be loving parents. educate yourselves and you children with love and regard for others and nature. this is how to “serve”. god does not choose sides, and earth has no borders… there is nothing to worry about unless you are part of the system that defies god in the first place. stand up for yourself and your family, put down the act of pretending you are better than anyone else, put down the weapons, and live with love and reverence for ALL life. then you will be serving your god and mine.
    lastly, safety is an illusion. you are never safe. you will never be safe. stop trying to justify your hatred in the name of safety. weapons held against your brothers are weapons held against yourself. fear is your enemy, not islam or satan or santa clause… you are your own worst enemy. educate yourself. protect yourself from yourself. oh, and don’t always expect to be thanked for your service to the system, some of us are already awake and don’t recognize what you do as “service” or “protection”. we just see that you are part of the problem that you pretend to have. there are no problems but the one’s you make. there are no enemies but the one in your head.
    have a nice day! thank you.

  408. Shawn Ashley MacNeil | 10/31/2014 at 12:05 AM |

    Um, I went to public school from 2000-2004… And I learned different religions and their HISTORY. I don’t know what public school you went to… Obviously not a very good one.

  409. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 11:50 PM |

    “No one is claiming we are a Christian Theocracy, just that our founding
    principles are not atheistic or secular and that they are rooted in a
    supernatural power. This is a proven fact.”

    If by “no one” you are referring only to yourself, then I accept that, although even at that there’s a certain talking out of both sides of your mouth in that assertion. There are, however, plenty of Christians, chief among them the Dominionists, who claim that this is indeed a Christian nation and are perfectly ready to take over the government with that political philosophy.

    Yes, the Constitution relies on the rule of law. Some of the principles in the European notions of rule of law derive from the Christian character of Europe for the preceding millennium or so, no question about it. Secular philosophies, thinkers, and movements also influenced the ideas that led to the American experiment, guided so heavily as it was by the Enlightenment.

    I didn’t say that Jefferson coined the phrase “Nature’s God,” but only that he was the one to employ it in drafting the DOI and also to point out that it does not mean what you averred it to mean.

    No, the Constitution and the DOI aren’t mutually exclusive; that’s really immaterial. The latter document simply ignores the former in terms of any reference to deities, religion, or the like. Lincoln was extremely intelligent, a voracious reader, and well versed in the bible. So was Jefferson. Neither was a bible believer, however. Just because they drew upon the bible does not mean that it gets incorporated in our government because you would like for it to be. You have to show in the Constitution itself where there was the intention for the government to have any kind of religious dimension. The Constitution specifically states that no religious test may be exacted on a government official. If they were that specific about excluding religious elements in government why would they have not been equally specific about including them? No religious tenets as part of governance=secular government.

    The founding principles are rooted in the belief in the superiority of the rule of law over the rule of an individual. We can agree that some of those ideas are rooted in religious thinking, but to say that that is the same as having the nation’s principles resting on the supernatural, there you have strayed from fact into wishful thinking.

  410. Terry Goodwin | 10/30/2014 at 11:41 PM |

    If we are a secular then we allow all forms of education.

  411. Terry Goodwin | 10/30/2014 at 11:38 PM |

    Trying not to sound to radical here , but intellectual’s in Nazi Germany tried to convince themselves that Nazism could be a good thing. In context to the subject right is right wrong is wrong. If Islam can be used as a educational subject then Christianity should also be allowed .

  412. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 11:17 PM |

    Parents have sovereignty over their children, schools do not. Government schools get their power by consent from the people. Not the other way around.

    A government agent is not an expert in my child’s education. They are just as fallen and sinful as the next person and to give them absolute authority over tens of millions of kids every year is one of the reasons the bottom has dropped out of our education system and our society. Our government school system from the beginning was designed to isolate the child from their parents and train them to be citizens of the state, not self-reliant individuals.

    In government school children are socialized to give up independence and learn group think; if not, they will be taught humiliation by their peers and by the adult in the classroom who needs to find a way to control 20 restless children who should be out learning real world ideas and experiences rather than sitting in a classroom 8 hours a day. Next, children are taught by the school that life is structured around a bell system – every 40 minutes or so a bell will ring demanding the student quit the current task whether they are finished or not, whether they enjoy it or not, and move on to the next task. Later, a bell will ring telling them it’s now time to eat – even if they aren’t hungry; or, perhaps they were hungry an hour ago. Throughout the day an adult who has done nothing to earn the child’s respect will determine when the child can use the restroom. Finally, a bell will ring and will allow them to go home. Of course, the government will send them home with a few hours of homework, thus, denying them critical family time. Come to think of it, it’s not a surprise how many disillusioned kids with no self-esteem who’ve known nothing but humiliation in school take out their frustrations with a gun.

    Yeah, the dad would be much wiser to pull his kid out of school and bring him to work with him. There, he would learn real responsibilities rather than the conjured schedule of government school.

  413. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 11:04 PM |

    Nothing is out of context in that passage from Mark. However, there is nothing in that passage that calls for Christians to kill non-Christians. It is merely a stark warning against sin and that God will provide judgement in the end.

    I’m not cherry picking anything. The Koran specifically calls for Muslims to kill non-Muslims. So, in fact, the Muslims choosing not to kill non-Muslims are actually cherry-picking.

  414. I get so sick of hearing about their false god and prophet I don’t care if they worship rocks just don’t try and force their stupid ideas on us

  415. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 10:59 PM |

    Again, you are making the assertion that we are claiming to be a Christian theocracy – we aren’t making this claim. Just claiming, accurately, that our founding principles aren’t rooted in rule of man, but rule of law, specifically, rule of Nature’s God. No, Jefferson wasn’t the only one who penned “Nature’s God”. Nature’s God is referenced by Madison and other founders. John Locke, who heavily influenced the founders also rooted government and societal principles in Natures God.

    You asked me to show you where in the Constitution God is mentioned. It isn’t, but that is besides the point because it is mentioned in our founding document of The Declaration of Independence which ingrains the principles of which the Constitution is founded and thus, I used a historical quote from one of the most respected leaders in our history to prove my point. Lincoln asserts that the principles in the Declaration are structures in the Constitution and that includes Laws of Nature and Nature’s God. They are not mutually exclusive documents and I’ve proven this.

    Jefferson’s Letter to Henry Lee on May 8,1825 affirms the fact that our principles of government were laid out in the Declaration of Independence. This would include the mention of Nature’s God.

    Regarding Lincoln…his comparison of the “apple of gold” and “picture of silver” is actually taken from Proverbs 25:11—“A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver”.

    No one is claiming we are a Christian Theocracy, just that our founding principles are not atheistic or secular and that they are rooted in a supernatural power. This is a proven fact.

  416. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 10:42 PM |

    Mark 6:11: “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart
    thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them.
    Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and
    Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.” Peaceful, mild Jesus, wouldn’t you say? And conversely, with a billion and a half practicing Muslims in the world, if this passage you quote out of context were one of the important guiding principles of the faith how do you think so many non-believers would still be walking around in those places where Muslims congregate? You’re cherry picking and then justifying bigotry by so doing.

  417. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 10:30 PM |

    Nature’s God, to Thomas Jefferson, who penned that phrase, was the Deists’ view of God, not the Christian God as understood by all those who today argue that this is a “Christian nation.”

    Your own extensive quotation does not refer to any religion, but to Lincoln’s admiration for the concept of liberty. Lincoln was profoundly skeptical of religion and even of any kind of deity, so I wouldn’t rely too heavily on him to support the kind of argument you’re making. And again, if the DOI was meant to be an integral part of the Constitution the Convention members would have had ample opportunity to make that manifest.

  418. plain and simple NO NO NO again NO i will fight as long as it takes to stop islam in its tracks

  419. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 10:21 PM |

    Nah, not really. The Koran specifically instructs Muslims to kill non-Muslims. There is nothing in Christ’s teachings that support what the idiotic behaviors of the Westboro Baptists.

  420. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 10:16 PM |

    He can do whatever he wants concerning preventing his daughter from receiving instruction. I guess you miss the part where the school gets to set the curriculum and issue the reports and approve the commencements. It’s always been that way. I guess if you don’t want your kid to take math or reading, you’d still expect the school to keep promoting him every year because your word should have more weight than the school’s assessment.

  421. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 10:15 PM |

    No, you are confusing facts with your opinion. Yes, I know what the phrase Nature’s God means; the founders appealed to the Laws of Nature’s God when the King continued his abuse of the colonies. So, they went above the King’s head, they went to God. Through God, they stated unequivocally that man is born free into the state of nature and not ruled by other men. That the only way men can be ruled is by his own consent – Madison and Jefferson stated this often.

    Simply read the Declaration of Independence and all of the grievances against the King and Great Britain. Then, read the Constitution – the Constitution addresses these grievances by putting in place structures that protect the people against these abuses. They are intertwined, not separate or exclusive from one another.

    The Constitution is the structure, the frame-work of government envisioned in The Declaration. The Declaration is the “why”, thus, different forms of language. Abraham Lincoln said it best when he stated that the Declaration and The Constitution were like a picture. “An apple of gold framed by a picture of silver”.

    Abraham Lincoln, January 1861 — “All this is not the result of accident. It has a philosophical cause. Without the Constitution and the Union, we could not have attained the result; but even these, are not the primary cause of our great prosperity. There is something back of these, entwining itself more closely about the human heart. That something, is the principle of “Liberty to all”—the principle that clears the path for all—gives hope to all—and, by consequence, enterprise, and industry to all. The expression of that principle, in our Declaration of Independence, was most happy, and fortunate. Without this, as well as with it, we could have declared our independence of Great Britain; but without it, we could not, I think, have secured our free government, and consequent prosperity. No oppressed, people will fight, and endure, as our fathers did, without the promise of something better, than a mere change of masters. The assertion of that principle, at that time, was the word, “fitly spoken” which has proved an “apple of gold” to us. The Union, and the Constitution, are the picture of silver, subsequently framed around it. The picture was made, not to conceal, or destroy the apple; but to adorn, and preserve it. The picture was made for the apple—not the apple for the picture.”

    Fragment on the Constitution and the Union Abraham Lincoln (1809–1865) 67 10 15
    Abraham Lincoln, “Fragment on the Constitution and the Union,” January 1861, in Roy P.
    Basler, ed., The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Vol. 4 (New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University
    Press, 1953), 168–69. Reprinted with the permission of the Abraham Lincoln Association,
    Springfield, IL.

    As Abraham Lincoln said, “The

  422. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 10:12 PM |

    The things you list aren’t “the religion” anymore than Westboro Baptist Church “is” Christianity. And if he believes that one unit in a history class that is not religious instruction but rather is information concerning a religion, just as one might get about Buddhism, is going to turn his daughter into a terrorist he has far bigger problems than a foolish dispute with a school administrator.

  423. The Judeo-Christian God and and the God of Islam are identical. In addition, Elias. Moses and Jesus are Muslim prophets. Your statement proves that the assignment in question was very useful.
    But, you have a point. An assignment devoted to the key principles of Christianity would be very useful. But, would the demand to objectively and critically discuss the principles of Christianity be acceptable to, say, evangelical, or fundamentalist Christians?

  424. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 10:02 PM |

    So, what you are saying is that the father needs to transfer the sovereignty he has over his daughter, to the state in order to earn a proper “grade” that is basically meaningless in the grand scheme of life? Was the curriculum approved by the father? Was it approved by the parents? Or, was it approved by government officials who “know better” and are “experts”?

  425. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 10:02 PM |

    No, you’re confusing your opinion with fact. Do you know what the phrase “Nature’s God” means? Do you know that the phrases in the DOI are not included in the Constitution, deliberately? Do you know what secular means? Answers to these questions are facts that refute your opinion.

  426. Diane Rudd | 10/30/2014 at 10:00 PM |

    The schools should not allow for muslims to teach the kids of muslim beliefs. They are trying to tell the kids that there is no God but only their Alluh. The muslims are trying to get the kids to worship Allah, not God. That is wrong. This is America, and if our kids can’t talk about God in school they should not be taught to believe in their Alluh. The muslims and their children worship Alluh, but with all the evil he’s done why would we want our children to worship a God that was evil? God is for good, Alluh was telling the muslims its ok to have sex with a 9 yr. old. We don’t want our kids to be taught that its alright to have sex with a 9 yr. old. The younger children will get the impression its ok to have sex at that age. Then if the girl says no, we could have younger children raping young girls. We have to keep this America and not Islam. The world is turning upside down, because people don;t want to say no to a muslim. The democrats or left side doesn’t even know the difference from the right side. They are so hung up on their left side that they can’t see the right way.

  427. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 9:57 PM |

    Maybe he’s afraid of the same thing the liberals always tell us they fear – the government force feeding one religion down our throats. In this case, a religion that has declared war on America and is beheading Christians and burning their churches around the world.

  428. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 9:53 PM |

    Reason #679 why we should all home educate our children…

  429. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 9:52 PM |

    You are confusing a theocracy with a constitutional republic that was built upon many virtues and experiments throughout history. One of which was the Christian ideal that formed Western Civilization. It is an indisputable fact that our founders based our government and its structure on the premise of Nature’s God and the Laws of Nature. Indisputable because it is all over their writings – they say so themselves. No, we aren’t a theocracy; however, the basic principles of man being free is rooted in the Laws of God and it is referenced in the Declaration of Independence, of which, our constitution was built.

  430. JohnL1313 | 10/30/2014 at 9:48 PM |

    GW also advocated preaching the gospel of Christ to the Indians to help them change their “savage” ways.

  431. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 9:47 PM |

    Yes, they were religious but they wanted a secular government. Try finding the language in the Constitution establishing a “Christian nation.” Please take LSD before you look because otherwise you’ll never find it.

  432. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 9:43 PM |

    And where is the information about the school forcing students to pray? That is just a bunch of BS. And Arabic Christians pray to Allah too, because that is Arabic for God.

  433. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 9:39 PM |

    The curriculum comes from the Maryland school system and has been around for quite some time. Just what “regime” and what “indoctrination” are you referring to? I know that some absolute lunacy exists.

  434. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 9:36 PM |

    Your school experience was a little less Judeo-Christian-centric than most public education of the time. In certain areas of the country it still is that way. I think you were lucky in that regard although I don’t understand there not being more instruction on the historical importance of world religions.

    I don’t accept that schools have more influence than parents. I know we had far more influence on our daughters than anything in school ever did and the parents we know with kids in school now see it the same way.

    Schools have to report without “proof.” The appropriate authorities investigate to determine proof and truth. Too many parents got away with too much in my day. I knew some unfortunate kids who were victims of that.

    The father may be afraid but that doesn’t make him right. The school has explained its curriculum and it is within the proper boundaries. If he wants to make his daughter suffer poor grades because of his irrational beliefs, he’s exercising his American freedom to do so, but I feel sorry for the daughter’s having a father who would do that to her.

  435. George Bumgardner | 10/30/2014 at 9:35 PM |

    I guess the progressive indoctrination that the current Regime is stuffing in children’s minds, that type of thing is not a concern to you? Everything is relative and no absolutes exist?

  436. Chris Davis | 10/30/2014 at 9:28 PM |

    what does being a marine have to do with this

  437. NoBrainer | 10/30/2014 at 9:09 PM |

    And the Ark was for looks, the seas parted for Moses didn’t smite anyone either. Read the book those are just the most known.

  438. Stephen Atchison | 10/30/2014 at 7:53 PM |

    Except that the school does teach about other religions.

  439. TheLight | 10/30/2014 at 7:51 PM |

    That’s what the left wingers have been saying for over 100 years now in order to get the Bible out of the classroom but as soon as the Muslim population starts growing they bend over backwards to get religion back into the schools but ONLY the religion of Islam.

  440. TheLight | 10/30/2014 at 7:50 PM |

    The problem is that if the Judeo-Christian God is not allowed in the schools then neither should the god of Islam, and don’t even try to say they are the same because they are not.

  441. TheLight | 10/30/2014 at 7:47 PM |

    How can you be agnostic and follow Jewish traditions? You’re either one or the other, you can’t be both. Being an agnostic means you aren’t sure about the existence of God but following the Jewish traditions implies that you follow God’s law because you know he exists. Which is it? Are you unsure or do you believe? If you’re an agnostic then you should stop following the Jewish traditions because they are doing you no good because your heart isn’t in them and God knows it.

  442. TheLight | 10/30/2014 at 7:45 PM |

    If the school can force them to pray “There is no god but Allah” then the Lord’s Prayer should also be allowed.

  443. TheLight | 10/30/2014 at 7:43 PM |

    Except that it’s not a secular country. You must have slept through the part where most of the founders of this country were religious and a good many of them were ministers or pastors. George Washington and George Mason even founded a church together just up the road from Mount Vernon. It’s called Pohick Church. Look it up.

  444. 1grayrebel | 10/30/2014 at 7:01 PM |

    You idiot! If Christ can’t be in school, neither should Islam. You moron!

  445. In Islam there is only one God. So, where is the problem?

  446. Stephen Atchison | 10/30/2014 at 6:28 PM |

    Americans are nuts.
    Separation of church and state means you can’t learn about religions at school??

  447. David Whitmore | 10/30/2014 at 5:47 PM |

    I was only a couple of years behind you; in PA. I must have slept through that part about the advancement, missing it completely. Learn about those things happening, but the religious aspects were not emphasized. We were told to see our particular religious leaders; or, as I said, to go to the public library if we wanted more information.
    Maybe I had what were the more Progressive teachers, I don’t know. I do know that my parent, and all the parents of my fellow students, were willing to pay almost twice as much property taxes for our school than our neighbouring city’s residents paid. We were a nice quiet middle-class community, surrounded on all sides by other larger cities.
    Teachings about specifics of different religions were believed to be done by the parents (in their homes) and the individual’s religious leaders (in non-school settings); it was not the School’s responsibility (at least, not mine). IAW the US Constitution.
    Of course, students back then were free to gather too. And, if one were to invoke any deity, no one said anything. There was no offense taken in the name of another person, either. Those that didn’t believe in that way, felt they weren’t affected in any way by what was said. It just didn’t matter.

    ‘We all know’ that schools today now have more control, more say, of a young person than the parent does. Back in our day, a school would have been able to ban a parent from school property… Ever. And schools can now even report a parent for suspect behaviour, even without proof. As seen regularly on news broadcasts. Maybe that’s what this Marine father is afraid of… Losing his daughter. Irregardless of what ‘study after study says’.

  448. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 4:05 PM |

    It’s not a Christian country either. It’s a secular country. Guess that you slept through those classes.

  449. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 4:03 PM |

    I don’t know what schools you attended but I received a public-school education from 1955 through 1968. There was more in the curriculum about Judeo-Christian principles and beliefs than there by rights should have been. We learned about how civilization “advanced” because Jews had “come to the proper conclusion that there was but one God.” We learned all about the Holy Roman Empire and the Reformation. There was also quite a bit about the Crusades. Ever hear of them? That’s not religious history? I also learned about other religions, including histories, albeit brief, of Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, and Taoism. If you didn’t learn any of these things in school and you went to a public school, then you can blame it on Texas dictating to the rest of the country what should be taught. If you didn’t go to a public school, then perhaps you might want to reconsider thinking of yourself as an expert on them.

    “As far as your comment regarding this Marines confidence, please…” Please what? Please stop writing the truth. Parents are the single biggest influence in a child’s development, study after study has shown. Seriously, what is this Marine afraid of?

  450. William | 10/30/2014 at 3:41 PM |

    Agnostic …but we adhere to the Jewish traditions

  451. David Whitmore | 10/30/2014 at 3:37 PM |

    And the other half?

  452. David Whitmore | 10/30/2014 at 3:36 PM |

    Schools do not (did not) teach about Judeo-Christian principles; they do not teach the histories of those religions, never have. At least not PUBLIC schools. Ergo, they do not be teaching those items of Islam. They do/did teach that different regions of the world followed various religions; and that information regarding those individual religions could be found in public libraries, IF the student was interested enough to learn about them.

    As far as your comment regarding this Marines confidence, please…

  453. CowsomeLoneboy | 10/30/2014 at 3:19 PM |

    It’s funny that this Marine so lacks confidence in his own power to persuade his daughter not to become a Muslim that he tries to intimidate a school official by telling her to “shove a paper up [her] white a*s.” The school teaches about other religions, including Christianity, when discussing the history of a region where a particular religion has had a profound influence on the culture and organization of that region. It’s not about persuading students to adopt any particular religion but simply giving them some understanding of those religions so they can better understand the world.

    It’s called education, something that a lot of parents want to deny their children, preferring to have them be ignorant. It’s no wonder that American children test so poorly in relation to children in other so-called first-world countries around the world and even worse than some third-world children.

  454. pharoahfro | 10/30/2014 at 3:04 PM |

    let me be the first to suggest that killing people because they insult Jesus is very specifically NOT what Jesus would have us do.

    evidence: Jesus didn’t smite anyone as He climbed up calvary.

  455. never ever will there be a prayer taught to my grandchildren other than our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST, this is NOT a muslim country

  456. William | 10/30/2014 at 2:42 PM |

    Wow , you got the sir right

  457. icallsemasiseesem' | 10/30/2014 at 2:42 PM |

    Again, you sir are a liberal douchebag

  458. CallsemlikeIseesem' | 10/30/2014 at 2:40 PM |

    u sir are a douchebag

  459. William | 10/30/2014 at 2:36 PM |

    Afraid of what , Muslims , Buddhist, I know many and I love them dearly and we are 1/2 Jewish in our family .Get over it !

  460. Carrie Barton | 10/30/2014 at 2:33 PM |

    where are the other posts. how long does it take to read them

  461. Diane Fox | 10/30/2014 at 2:32 PM |

    Every parent should have their asses down at the schools demanding a resolution to this and then they should ALL VOTE for people that would put prayer back int schools and return OUR religious and belief freedoms!! TY Marine!!!! Need more fathers like YOU!

  462. Carrie Barton | 10/30/2014 at 2:26 PM |

    What is sad is people like you that have their eyes closed. Now shut up and read the other post I sent you.
    You are the one that is afraid. Maybe if I don’t admit to it it will disappear.

  463. William | 10/30/2014 at 2:14 PM |

    IDIOTS ! You are so scared of the unknown it is sad !

  464. We are All Under GOD’S JUDGMENT!!! All I can Say is GOD Please Forgive US and GOD Help US All AMEN AND AMEN!!!!

  465. Kenneth V. Tellis | 10/30/2014 at 2:08 PM |

    Taking Y’Shua (Jesus Christ) the Son of God and replacing Him with the MAD fakir/Dervish Muhammed Ibn Adullah is an insult to all who call themselves Christians throughout the world. It is ergo time to root out the false prophet and founder of Mohammedanism, Muhammed Ibn Abduallh out of the Christian world and leave him where he rightly belongs in the desert of Arabia, not Amerca!

  466. innessa | 10/30/2014 at 2:07 PM |

    It’s about brainwashing, sir! All religions should be equal – if this school curriculums don’t include Christianity, Judaism, and any (or all) of the other religion represented in world history, they should’n and couldn’t include Islam. Don’t you understand that? “Cause a disruption”? Did he said he’s going to do something violent? This is really disgusting what’s going on in public schools all over the US!

  467. rthomp8363 | 10/30/2014 at 2:07 PM |

    I don’t think I want my children to be taught the terrorist ways.

  468. William | 10/30/2014 at 1:52 PM |

    “The assignment has been given for years,” said Katie-O’Malley-Simpson. “This particular parent had a problem with the assignment last Thursday.

    “It is unusual [to ban a parent from a school],” she added. “We don’t file no trespassing charges lightly. We would only do that when we feel someone has threatened the safety of staff and students.”

    The action was taken after the parent made comments to the vice principal that he was going to come to the school and cause a disruption, O’Malley-Simpson stated.

    now where is the issue ? this is not about prayer at all !

  469. vtvet57 | 10/30/2014 at 1:35 PM |

    And the Brain Washing Has begun.

  470. Damien Cross | 10/30/2014 at 1:27 PM |

    Every parent should be worried.
    Every parent should take their kids out of this school.
    Every parent should be DEMANDING to know why this is being taught in the school.

    Next, Lawsuits or better yet, do what Islam teaches. Kill every person who INSULTS OUR God ( Jesus & the Father ).

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